Quote from jprad:
It costs nothing to speak freely or print what you want? So, you think that legal terms like slander, defamation of character, incitement to riot, and the newest -- cyberbullying all just popped out of thin air at zero cost?
Peaceful assembly? Guess you missed that viral video of those girls being maced by the police in NYC a few weeks ago.
Own guns? Really? Never mind automatic weapons, in some places it's near impossible to own a hand gun today.
Free from unreasonable warrant-less searches? You need to check up on the 24/7 wiretaps and the growing ability of police to search the contents of your cellphone -- both without a warrant.
Sorry, but you've got it completely backwards. The government spends a lot of our money to put laws on the books that limit our rights.
There are over 4,000 of them today and there are no signs of them stopping from adding more anytime soon.
If anything good comes from the current mess is that we finally get to put boundaries on the Congress in how much and how often they can spend our money.
IMHO, any topic anyone cares to bitch about can ultimately be solved by limiting government spending.
Quote from Debaser82:
In the 60's only 1 in 4 households only had a bath room here...
Today everyone has 2 cars.
What do you mean an entire continent has been destroyed?
Never before in the history of man have people been more wealthy.
And these would have remained to be the case if the banks didnt invest the gigantic pool of excess savings into crappy shit shit.
Quote from rew:
I'm old enough to remember the 60s. Most everybody had a bathroom in the decade when we put a man on the moon. Really. Maybe you're thinking about the 1860s.
As for the second car, I'm still waiting for mine.
Quote from Debaser82:
the topic is 60 years of socialism destroyed europe.
I'm European and I am telling you over here 1 only one out of 4 households had a bath room. The second car remark was a hyperbole but the point is clear.
The post WWII period has been one of the most prosperous in human history and now some of that wealth has to be given back. That doesnt means we gained nothing.
Quote from Grandluxe:
haha so you had to go out to the woods to take a crap?
Anyway, since the end of the second world war, Europe has invented almost nothing of note. 80% of the goods services that you are consuming is a product of American ingenuity,(the internet, kindle, facebook,ipod,ipad, Google, personal computers, proliferation of broadband, usb drives, GPS,etc).
Almost every Nobel prize in scientific disciplines with very few exceptions now is given to an American or someone working in an American university. Have you ever thought about why that is?
There is no doubt that Europe has made great contributions to civillization but most of this was before the second world war.
Today in Europe, people, especially the younger generation which have no concept of hard work at all, just want to take it easy and have shit provided for them. Things are done slowly and inefficiently, many holidays are taken and deadlines are measured in months/ years or even decades instead of hours or days as in the USA. Every 3 hours of work is followed by a teabreak or a siesta. This completely destroys innovation and entrepreneurship, there is zero drive to strive forward and better oneself, there is little incentive to make a better product or provide a better service.
It is a slacker's society living on borrowed time.
Your society has had a standard of living that you have never ever paid for.
Soon you will have to pay for the excesses of the last 60 years, be prepared to go back to working industrial revolution hours,80-100 hour weeks with extreme taxation and zero holidays.
