5 Reasons Electric Cars Won’t Reduce Oil Consumption Anytime Soon
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Oil is fine and won't run out ever ever ever so keep things and the infastructure the same, everyone is happy.
Just build HUGE Algea farms out in the desert where nothing else grows, process it into oil and natural gas, it's easily achievable with current tech and it's carbon neutral.
Stop dicking around with big heavy expensive batteries, there isn't enough Lithium to replace a billion cars and there isnt enough electricity to charge a billion cars.
Just build HUGE Algea farms out in the desert where nothing else grows, process it into oil and natural gas, it's easily achievable with current tech and it's carbon neutral.
Stop dicking around with big heavy expensive batteries, there isn't enough Lithium to replace a billion cars and there isnt enough electricity to charge a billion cars.
you can do the same study that i do re this subject. ICE are 16% to -25% efficient; power plants are 45% and higher at converting energy to power, and have far better emission controls than an ICE has. some of these easy to corroborate facts make a power plant multiple times more efficient than ICE when adding in emission comparisons.
an electric car is 90% efficient at converting power. these data points are easy to find and essentially common sense; having to rehash seems like a horrible waste of time.
so now you combine traditional power plant at a far far higher power to energy conversion rates to power an electric car at 5-9x the power conversion rate vs ICE; can't you guys do simple maths?
transmission loss is reaching..in the end, these electric cars are far more efficient and even if they have a 50% edge (which my research shows its multiples)
something that really amazes me are peoples lack of seeing big pictures without a bias. an electric car has 90% less moving parts (one of my assets is a manufacturing business with many electric machines that beat the pants off an ICE machine...and people accept that easily)
the Delphi's, Dana's , your local mechanics of the world have a tremendous interest in pushing fake news and hoping people stay ignorant and lazy. thankfully there are many people who are not so and it will soon be clear what is the better form of transportation.
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Good thinking!
They was working on this years back, but oil prices dropped, so won't resurface until oil prices climb again
Agreed on all, but you've missed a step and its the killer.
The coils changing the voltage in the charger are at best 30% efficent, look at your laptop runs on 10w but likely 200w going into the charger.
So this drops your car efficency to 30%, any 1 with experience with the Nissan Leaf will tell you, it costs 3xs what you'd expect to charge, as they ignore this loss.
Petrol engine around 20% efficent.
Compared to :-
Power station 45%
Transmission loss 30% down to 30% already.
Charger loss down to 10%
Car efficency thats 9%
Measure into and out of charger wattage.
@Turveyd Instead of doing the calculations myself I did a Google search on "energy efficiency of gasoline versus electric car" and looked at the top 3 results:
https://www.masterresource.org/electric-vehicles/energy-usage-cost-gasoline-vs-electric/
https://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/wells-to-wheels-electric-car-efficiency/
http://blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-nealer/gasoline-vs-electric-global-warming-emissions-953
The oldest of the three (written in 2013) concludes that there is no difference. The other two conclude that there is roughly a factor two better overall performance of electrical vehicles compared to gasoline combustion engine vehicles.
https://www.masterresource.org/electric-vehicles/energy-usage-cost-gasoline-vs-electric/
https://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/wells-to-wheels-electric-car-efficiency/
http://blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-nealer/gasoline-vs-electric-global-warming-emissions-953
The oldest of the three (written in 2013) concludes that there is no difference. The other two conclude that there is roughly a factor two better overall performance of electrical vehicles compared to gasoline combustion engine vehicles.
Prefer my own math's none of this is allowing for replacing the battery pack every 6years ish, which is a huge energy cost, you can recycle the lithium from the cells, but that's even more energy consuming.
Stop dicking around with batteries, get building Algea farms.
Electric cars, should be kept small, 2 seaters or even 1 and used for inner city slow moving traffic, where your mostly stopped, as stopped takes no energy, petrol/diesel takes to mich energy to stop start. And to reduce city polution.
Stop dicking around with batteries, get building Algea farms.
Electric cars, should be kept small, 2 seaters or even 1 and used for inner city slow moving traffic, where your mostly stopped, as stopped takes no energy, petrol/diesel takes to mich energy to stop start. And to reduce city polution.
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i realize this is biased from snowflakes in california; but the part that has truth in it is the "costs of getting and maintaining oil, et al. the reason i bring this up is because you keep reiterating costs of batteries and their life (which is highly disputable in itself)
if you get bored with the article, scroll down to common sense oil costs that you guys simply ignore to push your arguments.
http://www.lightsonsolar.com/emissions-and-efficiency-in-electric-cars-versus-gasoline-cars/