$5.9 billion a month habit

[jonnysharp]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:



Bush made a personal sacrifice?

Please explain....

All I see him doing is sacrificing other people's children, taxpayers money, and the good will that America had after 9/11.

I was talking in the context of the sacrifices he has made on be-half of America. also physical pain is not the only pain -> half the country thinks he is evil - if 140million people hate you -> do you think you would feel some personal pain or shame?

All things vital come at a cost, America was fought for and has to be fought for to stay on top. no pain no gain.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

What ever became of the notion that Iraq would repay us out of their oil revenues?

That was just propaganda intended to close the sale.

Kind of like the cooked intelligence that got us thinking about war in the first place.

Oh yea, so they didn't have those nukes. oh well. fuck it. We're here now!

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

We have spent hundreds of billions to destroy and now rebuild Iraq. The money that has been spent is unreal. Stuff like brand new garbage trucks. We don;t have enough money to provide decent health care to our own vets, but we can subsidize a middle eastern country that clearly hates us and has vast oil reserves.

Indeed. Indeed. Indeed!!! Ever hear of the military industrial complex? Aka 'special interest groups'?

Although, I beg to differ about the piss poor state of veteran affairs.

Clearly. CLEARLY. If they have hundreds of billions to piss away in Iraq -- im hearing the word trillions being tossed around, of late -- then they've got MORE THAN THEY'LL EVER NEED to take care of the veterans.

You just don't want to see the truth. They don't give a damn about the veterans. Its all lip service.

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I'd hate to see what Plan B was.

Plan B was not going in because the weighted intel simply didn't support it.

And if we did go in regardless, plan b called for a massive occupation force to quell the near certain resistance and possibly subsequent civil war. Which is now just beginning to erupt.

Plan b was totally ignored.

But its been one helluva ride!! BOOM!!

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

No wonder Iran is thumbing their nose at us. They must think, worst case scenario, the dumb Americans will give us billions in aid.

haha. Maybe. Who knows. And who cares??

Just as long as we've got more wars queued for the sheeple and corporate america feasting, we're good, right?

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Nick Leeson Jr:

Zzz,

Your post here, with the implication that it is the foolish Bush Admin's fault and its a horrible shame, and disgraceful to have the US hemmorraging 5.9 bil $ per day to an ingrate country, or what is left of one, which doesn't even want us there, if you are implying this, you are 100% right.

My gawd. Its a tradegy. Honestly. What a mess.

 

[coolweb]

Quote from jonnysharp:

when are you people going to learn, that IRAQ is a energy play by Bush, and he actually does have foresight into America's future. Re-building Iraq is on their agenda but the main reason is energy and not in the way most people think.

Do you really believe Bush is doing this for attention, personal satisifaction or to get back at saddam for taking a punch at daddy? He knows the human/political/ecomonic/moral sacrifices he is making, but he also knows the reward; that Saddam is now guaranteed to NOT hold the USA hostage to oil, nor can he team up with his neighbours to do so in the future. THIS IS A REAL THREAT TO AMERICA'S WELLBEING.

America has a presence in Muslim countries because thats where most of the worlds oil/energy comes from -> a fleeting resource thats rising in costs on the back of surging demand sets America up for a potential political trap 5 - 20 years into the future. Unless america can convert to clean, self-renewable energy overnight(which they can't) their only other option is to get to them before they get to us. Saddam had already tried this back in 1990. Fuck you Saddam Hussein, robbing your own people of basic education/health/freedom rights that every human being deserves. Saddam was a militant with a patient, evil agenda -> that, the old cronies know.

I sincerely hope that the sacrifices Bush has made is well worth it looking back in 20 years and a REAL global energy war doesnt break out and the average Iraqi citizen can enjoy the freedom, basic human rights and the chance at a prosperous, full-filling life just as much as the average american citizen has and can.

the only smart poster in here.

 

[jonnysharp]

Quote from achilles28:

That was just propaganda intended to close the sale.

Kind of like the cooked intelligence that got us thinking about war in the first place.

Clearly. CLEARLY. If they have hundreds of billions to piss away in Iraq -- im hearing the word trillions being tossed around, of late -- then they've got MORE THAN THEY'LL EVER NEED to take care of the veterans.

You just don't want to see the truth. They don't give a damn about the veterans. Its all lip service.

Just as long as we've got more wars queued for the sheeple and corporate america feasting, we're good, right?

do you think Bush could tell America in blunt terms why they are going there, they need to hear fear, so give em fear.

do you stop for a moment, and think that some vets are willing to give up part of their pocket money to the young men and women serving the country? or is loyalty and patriosm something you do not understand or believe in?

The cost of the war? how can you put a cost on America's future wellbeing? America is rich and they use this to their advantage.

whenever the government or a corporation does something in its own interest, which believe it or not, is usually in the best interests of the country -> people start whining about how their riggin things in their favour -> well DER! would you if you were running the country or a corporation. ive got a trading system that takes money from other stock market participants does that make me a evil-doer?

the USA government acts in its own interest believe or not and the more fit they are the more fit the citizen is.

p.s. ZZZzzz -> the name of the thread is $5.9 billion a day -> shouldnt that be $5.9Billion a MONTH?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Yes, I suggested to a moderator that they correct the thread title to 5.9 a month.

Are you willing to include the long term costs though in what it is costing us?

A leading economist projected that long term costs will increase the real cost dramatically.

However, since you are making an argument that is really not about cost, but what you think is a necessary benefit, does it matter if it is 5.9 billion a day or a month?

"...whenever the government or a corporation does something in its own interest, which believe it or not, is usually in the best interests of the country."

That statement is about as false as it gets.

Quote from jonnysharp:

do you think Bush could tell America in blunt terms why they are going there, they need to hear fear, so give em fear.

do you stop for a moment, and think that some vets are willing to give up part of their pocket money to the young men and women serving the country? or is loyalty and patriosm something you do not understand or believe in?

The cost of the war? how can you put a cost on America's future wellbeing? America is rich and they use this to their advantage.

whenever the government or a corporation does something in its own interest, which believe it or not, is usually in the best interests of the country -> people start whining about how their riggin things in their favour -> well DER! would you if you were running the country or a corporation. ive got a trading system that takes money from other stock market participants does that make me a evil-doer?

the USA government acts in its own interest believe or not and the more fit they are the more fit the citizen is.

p.s. ZZZzzz -> the name of the thread is $5.9 billion a day -> shouldnt that be $5.9Billion a MONTH?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Imagine this:

Iraqi stabalizes, has their own democracy.

They vote to sell all their oil to China.

Happy now?

 

[jonnysharp]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:



Are you willing to include the long term costs though in what it is costing us?

A leading economist projected that long term costs will increase the real cost dramatically.

However, since you are making an argument that is really not about cost, but what you think is a necessary benefit, does it matter if it is 5.9 billion a day or a month?

"...whenever the government or a corporation does something in its own interest, which believe it or not, is usually in the best interests of the country."

That statement is about as false as it gets.

It will cost what it will cost so long as they can afford it.

governments/corporations are power/profit motivated the more power/profit the more jobs/taxs the more jobs/taxs the higher the standard of living which believe or not america has one of the highest standard of living even more so when you exclude foreigners from low social/economic classes.

 

[jonnysharp]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Imagine this:

Iraqi stabalizes, has their own democracy.

They vote to sell all their oil to China.

Happy now?

first of all who is "they" you mean the USA puppet in Iraq don't you?

and i don't ever see China wanting to piss USA off since they are china's biggest customer. the USA isn't snubbing too hard at the weak yuan either thus letting china have 'a bit as to sorta join hands going forward.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Total BS about corporations.

They keep their money offshore to avoid taxes, outsource jobs, pollute the earth, care nothing for human rights.

You sound like a ditto head.....

Quote from jonnysharp:

It will cost what it will cost so long as they can afford it.

governments/corporations are power/profit motivated the more power/profit the more jobs/taxs the more jobs/taxs the higher the standard of living which believe or not america has one of the highest standard of living even more so when you exclude foreigns from low social/economic classes.