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Quote from Blubaru_555:

looks like they bought, hehe

lol that was my guess too
well as far as tomorrow is concerned, my view is that we will break todays high and see around 4780 BEFORE nymex opens i.e. in the Asian and European session. In the NYMEX we will see an initial drop from 4750 levels to 4600 and then we will rally closing above $50 for the day.
 
Even if the news is in Spanish you can see that Libya also will cut if needed.

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VIENA, mar 12 (Reuters) - El principal funcionario petrolero de Libia dijo el jueves que los mercados de crudo se mantenían sobreabastecidos y que su país apoyaría otro recorte de producción de la OPEP cuando el grupo se reuna el domingo.
"Si es necesario un recorte, lo apoyaremos", dijo el presidente de la Corporación Nacional de Petróleo de Libia, Shokri Ghanem, a reporteros a su arribo a Viena para la reunión.
 
Quote from usman88:

lol that was my guess too
well as far as tomorrow is concerned, my view is that we will break todays high and see around 4780 BEFORE nymex opens i.e. in the Asian and European session. In the NYMEX we will see an initial drop from 4750 levels to 4600 and then we will rally closing above $50 for the day.

I have to take my hat of to you. Excellent call.

I had called for $50 as well but was wavering considering the extent of the retracement and the build in inventories.
 
For Nicola,
but also for anyone who can give a useful helpful answer. :)


K i know i shouldnt be getting so pissed off, as i managed to cover 144ticks profit for this up move today, which was 11% profit on my account.

And i do know that you cant ALWAYS catch ALL the move.


But i would be so so happy if i could atleast just OCCASIONALLY catch MOST of the move. :( :(

Especially when i have seen and anticipated the entire move days inadvance, called it, and even set it as a target order.



I knew that i wanted to hold my long trade till a few minutes before the close with a target of 46.86,
however this is what i saw that made me get out......

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Since the lack of buying interest / high sharp selling going in didnt look positive at all.

(And especially if the opec news had been fully priced in, and this as the start of the sell-off, then we would be getting the low 30s again.
So being caught floating in longs wold be extremely risky).
 

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After that big spike down, this is what there was to see...
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And so apart for the obvious fundamentals of opec, which there was no way of knowing to whta extent they were priced in,
the best gage for that was the price action on the chart.


But so at the time when this was all there was to see and go on.

So can someone / lots of people please just tell me your own view on how you personally, when looking through your own eyes, where about (what time) would you have seen as a trigger to go long??

And what about the price action at that time made you see that going long at that time would be an extremely safe entry, with very little downwards risk, but lots of likely upwards movement potential??? :)



Thanks in-advance
 

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Quote from spanish89:

So can someone / lots of people please just tell me your own view on how you personally, when looking through your own eyes, where about (what time) would you have seen as a trigger to go long??

And what about the price action at that time made you see that going long at that time would be an extremely safe entry, with very little downwards risk, but lots of likely upwards movement potential??? :)



Thanks in-advance [/B]

The triple bottom at 4340 was the best time to enter. Infact it was one of the easiest possible enteries because surprisingly stop hunting didnt took place there. Going back at that time, one would see price getting support there, therefore with a very tight stop loss of 5-10 ticks below the first bottom you get into a long position with a target of at least 80 cents(because if it go up it will test previous high of 44.30. One could have cashed in at 80 cents or put a trailing stop(the obvious thing to do) and let it run.
Thats more than 1:10 RR ratio. Textbook entry
 
Well tomorrow is comic relief so any profits I make tomrrow are going to charity. Knowing my luck i'll have a monster day after a slow week!!
 
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The triple bottom at 4340 was the best time to enter. Infact it was one of the easiest possible enteries because surprisingly stop hunting didnt took place there. Going back at that time, one would see price getting support there, therefore with a very tight stop loss of 5-10 ticks below the first bottom you get into a long position with a target of at least 80 cents(because if it go up it will test previous high of 44.30. One could have cashed in at 80 cents or put a trailing stop(the obvious thing to do) and let it run.
Thats more than 1:10 RR ratio. Textbook entry



Aloha mate and thanks for sharing how you would have traded that.. :)
I always find it helpful to look at as many peoples different views as possible.


Can i ask if you actually have access to live volume data for oil though, and if so is it free, and if so where you get it from?? :cool:

Since while i do see that the triple bounce at the 43.40 level could have looked like a possible long entry for some people,
when looking at the chart its clear to see that there had just been a head n shoulders formation, which had sent oil down 1dollar to this level here,
and as we have all seen over the last few months of this year that intraday trend moves like that often last for 3 - 4dollars,
so going long after just 1dollar drop seems to only be logical if you have access to volume data at the time showing the increased buying interest/lack of further selling there.

I personally dont ever trust double/triple/multiple tops or bottoms anyways though,
since 90% of the time they simpy are a tempory blockade that gets blasted by a breakout move.

(I always remember the explantion from a book i read called 'tricks of the floor trader', where the guy explained that if you look at a triple bottom,
all that it is is the market finding buyers at that level, but also still having sufficent selling pressure to repeatedly slam it back down to the base.
While it may not break down through that base the 1st few times, it also isnt a sign of strength at all, since the sellers are now using the price as a battering ram against that base, and are powerful enough as they are repeatly preventing the price for rising up each time it tries to).

Thats why ive never ever trusted multiple top formatiosn as solid or reversals,
and so only trust and use head n shoulders, and occasionally diamond formations.



I know i shouldnt be spending so much time still obsessing about this situation,
since i did some extremely stylish and precise trading of buying very near the lows of yesterday as the market moved straight in my favour, i cashed out very near the top of the 1st spike of the day,
which was then met seconds later by a pullback down equal to the size of the entire spike.
And i ended the day with 11% profit, and covering 144ticks profit.


But I just still am extremely interested and entralled by the price action that occured in this time frame though,
as through my eyes it just looks extremely odd and illogical,
and therefore i know in the future i again wouldnt buy when i saw movement like that,
but i dont want to again miss out on extra money, just because i have difficulty seeing a certain angle or aspect of this price action. :(
 
http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view/20090313-193948/Oil-below-47-after-11-jump

The market is sitting on the fence ahead of the meeting. Prices were strong yesterday on the back of equity markets and will hold to these gains today, except if equities fall," said Mark Pervan, ANZ's senior commodities analyst.

"The market is pricing another cut. It could rise $4-$5 if OPEC cuts again but the upside will not last. The economy is going to be the main draw."


The market is eyeing OPEC's meeting on Sunday, waiting to see if ministers will decide further cuts or call for stricter compliance, which seems to be the preferred option for influential member Saudi Arabia.



"All told, the advice for OPECologists this weekend is: watch the flows, not the rhetoric. Oil is never far from political intrigue, but in the end fundamentals will prevail," JP Morgan said in its Oil Markets Weekly report.

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Asian stock markets opened higher on Friday, tracking the rally in US stocks, with Japan's Nikkei jumping by more than 4 percent.
 
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090313/oil_prices.html

Nigerian and Qatari officials have suggested they oppose another production cut on top of the 4.2 million barrels a day of reductions announced by OPEC since September, while Venezuela supports further cuts.

Russian news agencies said Thursday that Vice Premier Igor Sechin would attend the OPEC meeting in Vienna and that his country supports the idea of trimming production.

"It seems to be hard for OPEC to reach consensus this time," said Christoffer Moltke-Leth, head of sales trading at Saxo Capital Markets in Singapore. "I expect a small cut, less than the market expects."

Most analysts are expecting a cut of between 500,000 and 1 million barrels a day.

"Unless there's a massive OPEC cut, it's well-capped at $50," Moltke-Leth said. "We've seen it in black and white with China's terrible export numbers. That's a lot of demand destruction."

Traders were also waiting for Friday's reports on global demand expectations by OPEC and by the International Energy Agency in Paris.


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http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view/20090313-193948/Oil-below-47-after-11-jump

The market is sitting on the fence ahead of the meeting. Prices were strong yesterday on the back of equity markets and will hold to these gains today, except if equities fall," said Mark Pervan, ANZ's senior commodities analyst.

"The market is pricing another cut. It could rise $4-$5 if OPEC cuts again but the upside will not last. The economy is going to be the main draw."


The market is eyeing OPEC's meeting on Sunday, waiting to see if ministers will decide further cuts or call for stricter compliance, which seems to be the preferred option for influential member Saudi Arabia.



"All told, the advice for OPECologists this weekend is: watch the flows, not the rhetoric. Oil is never far from political intrigue, but in the end fundamentals will prevail," JP Morgan said in its Oil Markets Weekly report.

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Asian stock markets opened higher on Friday, tracking the rally in US stocks, with Japan's Nikkei jumping by more than 4 percent.
 
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