5% - 10% profit per day trading

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Quote from firscall:

I think it is insane for a newbie not to use a stop-loss. Unless the price has moved into profit and a trailing stop is in place at the break-even level or better.

I can understand not using a SL if one has a vast amount of capital such that a price move of +/-3 standard deviation results in less than a 1% move in equity but otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.

Generally, not using a SL is (in my view) an admission that one is not comfortble taking losses and that there is no plan behind the trade (hoping that the price will give one back the 30% DD before wiping out one's entire account doesn't constitute a trading plan).

Anything that makes the trader more emotional is increasing the probability of losses.

Daily targets tend to lead to emotional instability in my view. I have daily profit limits, if my account goes up by more than 30% in any given day than I stop trading (this is a limit not a target). If I sustain losses of 5% of capital then I'm out for the rest of the day. Too large a ROCE in a given day hints at over-trading or the misuse of leverage both of which lead to emotional instability.

It doesn't make sense to be risking more than 10% of your capital on any 'intraday' trade but I'd recommend risking below 5%.

Agreed with everything you said. The problem is that oil swings around by $2-3 every day. I have tried using tighter stops only to see my stops get hit in 10 min and then the market go in my direction. I now think that trading oil requires min of $1 stop. Anything smaller than that will lead to whipsaw.

What I should start doing though is to switch back to QM instead of CL. The spreads on QM sucks but its half the size and less risk.
 
Quote from lemeeeplay:

Agreed with everything you said. The problem is that oil swings around by $2-3 every day. I have tried using tighter stops only to see my stops get hit in 10 min and then the market go in my direction. I now think that trading oil requires min of $1 stop. Anything smaller than that will lead to whipsaw.

What I should start doing though is to switch back to QM instead of CL. The spreads on QM sucks but its half the size and less risk.

Nice advice Firscal.
I never use less than a 100 pip stop loss in this market. But that is an emergency stop (computer crashes, internet goes down, power failure). If I am in a trade and it doesn't look right I cut it. You can always get back in again later.

Hope some of you caught the slide
Nicola
 
Aloha guys, how has everyone done so far? :)

Im about to eat dinner but later this evening will post a more detailed response about the most effective use of stop losses,
and more importantly what you should ACTUALLY focus on,
ALOT more than the size of your stoploss... :cool:
 
Quote from spanish89:

Aloha guys, how has everyone done so far? :)

Im about to eat dinner but later this evening will post a more detailed response about the most effective use of stop losses,
and more importantly what you should ACTUALLY focus on,
ALOT more than the size of your stoploss... :cool:

Nothing for me really. Still have a EURO short open. I took a relatively large long-term position is oil via USO. I don't like picking tops and bottoms but the downside is very limited.
 
And in relation to the discussion earlier about stoplosses-

Yes stoplosses are important as they 1 of the ways you can exit a trade that you dont want to hold for longer than the time that you choose to let it get stopped out.


However you dont go on your computer every morning and sit there for 16hours per day staring at a chart just to ''workout how to only lose a medium size amount of your money ''!! :D


YOU TRADE COS YOU WANT TO MAKE TRADES TO MAKE MONEY, AND DONT WANT ANYTHING ELSE! :cool: :p


This is why i never ever do 'scalping', since people who trade like that are just comulsive gamblers, who have to much money so 'test' the market with small stoplosses, and so lose small amounts of money alot of times per day! :D




If you want to waste your money 'testing' market levels and getting stopped out regularly then please do, as its those peoples money that paid for my extravagent lifestyle for the last 9months! :)


However i would STRONGLY ADVISE everyone to stop worrying so much about what size your stoploss is....

And instead start focusing on-
WAITING, WAITING, WAITING,
SEEING WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT ENTERY,
THEN TELL YOUR BRAIN TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND WAITING LONGER AND LONGER,
AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE THE MARKET HAS COMPLETELY FUCKED ITSELF OVER AND SIMPLY CANT GET ITSELF ANY LOWER,
THEN WAIT EVEN MORE TILL IT COMPLETELY EXHAUSTS ITSELF TRYING TO GO LOWER...


And then you nail that trade and enter then as it starts to rise back up! :cool:

And then you just have to focus trying to hold as it shoots steeply and fast into profit, and resist the urge to cash in too soon! ;)




Its nothing to do with 'picking tops and bottoms', since that phrase doenst even make any sense since theres 1000s of different timeframes of which every level is the top as bottom of that certain timeframe...,

Its simply-
Not being a twat or fool and jumping into trades just cos they look like they have a fair chance of moving in the direction that your betting in, but using a nice stoploss to protect yourself from too big a loss! :D



A ''stoploss'' is simply a word that was created by spreadbetting companies and is just a synonym for 'order to end trade in losing money'.

And while lots of people do like taking losses through this type of present automatic order instead of manually,
it is just 1 TINY part of trading ffs! :D

Its not what trading is about though! lol



Trading is about making money consistently.

It dont matter how you do it, where you do it, when you do it, dont even matter what you wear while doing it! :p

As long as you do consistently rake in the cash though thats all that matters.



And the best most effective way of doing that is 'Having extreme patience, waiting for ridiculously overdone moves, wait even longer till the reversal movement starts,
smash the market hard and fast with your trade the and only then,
and rake in the cash. :)
 
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