5% - 10% profit per day trading

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K on a more serious note i have decided that im going to trail the markets trend from the uk morning open with the daily contract (8ticks spread / can go as low as 20ticks stoploss [only really 12 cos the spread]) at £1 per tick and moving stoploss along as much as i can after each movement.

So i will have to get extremely good enteries to be able to clear the spread by 20ticks and then be able to move stoploss to lock in break even, before being stopped out for a loss (£20 loss is about 3days food money gone so dont want to be losing it).


But hopefully i will be able to get my entries good enough and get in during mild momentum so i can then trail those few dollar movements down for maybe £200 t £300 each (2 t 3dollars),
and then if a base reversal forms i can cash in the trend-trailing trade,
and smash the market hard at £6 t £8 per tick for the sharp fast pullbacks. :cool: :p

(If no reversal forms and its just a huge elongated trend all day i will still then be able to earn a decent amount from my £1 per tick trade)




The main reasons why i want to start doing this is;

* I need to earn money everyday, both for rent and food issues, and for pyschological reasons,
so on the days when market is dull and its just 1 long slow trend il still have made money.

* Hopefully this will help me start to get used to holding trades for more than 60ticks max, even though that will always require holding through mild t medium pullbacks.

(Since currently i need to see atleast a steep $3movement minimum before i would consider trading for the pullback/reversal).
But if the next trade that i make is in the opposite direction to this trade it means that the market will have gone over $3s in what was my favour, but i would have taken max 60 t 80ticks from the move).

* This should help me even more in keeping extreme patience even when im just sitting on my sofa watching the market move in 1direction for 6 t 7 hours,
but still not clicking to trade for the the pullback if the reversal formation hasn't formed.

(Since i am extremely extremely ambitious and so love to spend all day n night working and earning for 40 t 50hours straight somedays even...,
but so when i am just sitting but not earning i feel very very lazy and foolish and liek i should be wokring alot harder and earning).

However this way i will be earning nearly constantly throughout the day. :)





P.S Something im sure we have all noticed but havent actually discussed as to why it happens and then why its being allowed to keep happening...

Basically everyday, (since the russian gas stuff was sorted and oil fell from 48 t 42 that day), the market has opened the day at/near its high, and then fallen slowly but steadily all day till around 5pm,
and then its pulledback roughly $1 and mild t medium speed and steepness.


At 1st of all this seemed just like another days movement in the oil market,
but now that this seems to be nearly an everyday pattern its got me very curious and confused. :confused:



And so what is everyone's views on what fundamentals / price action trading + human pyschologly in the minds of the trades who move the market could be causing this to be a daily pattern??

And then why is it being allowed by the big traders to keep happening like this??
Since it could be viewed as easy free money for them to just keep this pattern going,
but they are then giving everyone out there who follows this dialy papttern easy money too. :eek: :confused:





All views welcome.

+Anyones views on how they would have traded that formation that i posted screenshots and explanation about on the previous page would also be welcome for some pyschological diversity for me. :) :cool: :p
 
Quote from booking:

spanish have you considered that maybe the oil price action is now returning to "normal"?

The last 2 months have seen the most remarkable price moves that to be honest any numpty could have made money out of.

Now we're back to the usual indecisiveness and "technical" markets where it's much harder to predict the movements.

If you want to survive, you have to learn to make money in times like now.



Ahhh i was just flicking through a few of the earlier post of my thread from way back in July n August and this one caugt my eye.

(Most were people saying how no-one can live with £1,600 rent n food cost per month from just 2k capital which i was going from then, and how i would fail and blowup by the end of that day or that week). :D :cool:


But this one where the guy made it sound like it was extremely easy intraday trading when market is in elongated trends,
and was saying that when it returned to normal volatile daily ranges with tight weekly t monthly ranges,
that i would then struggle and fail....

It makes me laugh but while feeling sad somewhere deep inside in a way that i havent felt before. :/




Because i guess the tables did completely turn.

I took up his challenge as in my mind when oil went to under 75 i did start to really panick about how on earth would i keep earning and paying rent,
when i couldnt rely on my ''wakeup - click sell button - cash in whenever i saw enough money to scare me in losing that - few mins later sell again after any sorta up spike'' method that i had been doing since the 140s as it came down.


I do still remeber that day when the market was gna open in 5mins, and so i had 5minutes to invent and entire new trading style and stratergy and then start using it...

But i did it, and since then ive done alot lots of minor refinements and adjustments to sharpen it up to its current level.



However the reaosn why i feel sorta sad inside is that while i did all the panicking and work and have spent so soo much time and energy, +gone through so soo much extreme stress since 75 to now at 35...,
there was no reason to have changed the style of trading from that day,
since the 'ONLY SELL' stratergy would given me an extremely easy and stress free past 4months.


But now ive gotten so skilled at the 'attacking huge intraday spikes for their pullback' stratergy,
i no longer know how to make my previous 'only trade in trend direction' stratergy actually work and make me money. :(:(



Yet now the market is so soo calm and dull with no volatilty the style that i have my expertise in no longer has many opportunities when it can be used. :(
 
Quote from spanish89:

Basically everyday, (since the russian gas stuff was sorted and oil fell from 48 t 42 that day), the market has opened the day at/near its high, and then fallen slowly but steadily all day till around 5pm,
and then its pulledback roughly $1 and mild t medium speed and steepness.

Yeah I have noticed the same thing and I am baffled by it. Though if you step back and look at the daily charts, it looks normal. We are still in a consolidation pattern and will most likely to go side ways for couple of more weeks.

The CRB index is now putting higher highs and higher lows on the daily charts. This should set the pace for most commodities, oil included:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$CRB&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=0&id=p27773902440

Oil is following but a bit weaker (problly due to excess supply):
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$WTIC&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=0&id=p49533589201



Another thing that I've noticed which is pissing me off is that a big percentage of the daily moves for CL happens at night (here in US) while CL is in after-hours market. By the time NYMEX opens, CL has already moved by 1-2% and then just sits there tightly until NYMEX close time. It does give a good spike near the end, but that spike is usually not tradable because it's so close to the end and it's so fast. This makes the NYMEX session pretty much useless. I think the Brent market in London is setting the pace for all energy markets for that given day.
 
Wow, i was just bored and decided to open up IB and see what's going on with CL and actually ended up doing two quick back-to-back long trades in EUR and lost -$412. All in 10 min. :(

I am so mad myself for not being disciplined. I am keep breaking my own trading rule :mad:

I am going to have to trade extra hard in CL tomorrow to make up. Going to bed now. Cy'all in the morning.
 
Trading "extra hard" is not how you make good trades (or good money ;)

Should be effortless...or else u need to step back buddy.

Go for a walk, take the day off. trust me.
 
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He's human afterall! ;)

Good to hear you've continued to make some awesome amounts of money! I remember you talking about your previous job and its low pay in comparision, how many years salary (tax free of course) have you earnt since starting trading? :D

Maybe 4 years worth or so?
 
3 trades today/last night:

Dow long @ 8192
Dow closed @ 8222

+30

Dow short @ 8218
Dow closed @ 8170

+48

FTSE short 4157
FTSE closed 4115

+42

Currently open:

Crude long 4161
SL moved to 41.86

min +25
 
K we tested the 39.26 level that id had been going on about,
got the bounce,
and now i want to get my sells in between 40.26 t 40.86,

target 37.62
 
GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!



fucking stupid laptop!!!!


the stupid java froze my chatt just as i was about to sell into that head n shoulders just under 40!!!!
 
Quote from spanish89:

GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!



fucking stupid laptop!!!!


the stupid java froze my chatt just as i was about to sell into that head n shoulders just under 40!!!!

Can't you phone in the order?
 
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