47 million are without health insurance in U.S.

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I wasn't questioning evolution as much as asking why we need to interfere with it. Particularly when we can't afford it.

Its interferred with all the time, its just a matter of for whose benefit?
 
It's no different. The surviving individuals comprise the group... If you proactively select for maladaptive traits in individuals, you are making maladaptive selections for the group.

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We're often arguing along social Darwinistic lines around here. Some are for the triumph of the individual, others for the triumph of the group.
 
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It's no different. The surviving individuals comprise the group... If you proactively select for maladaptive traits in individuals, you are making maladaptive selections for the group.

Would you include in a list of maladaptivities disproportionate special influence and lobbying? This isn't the Galapogos Islands we're talking about here.
 
Special influence and lobbying are a product of bloated and obese government. Big government is the initial maladaptive causal to the other two, which are merely symptoms of big government.

As long as you have big government, industrialists will ALWAYS come corrupt it. Big business is the number one argument against big government. If a government isn't very powerful, and doesn't have much authority to begin with, there isn't much sense in spending resources to corrupt and control it is there?

Hence, the only options are 1) Total government (authoritarian communism, Stalinist Russia) , or 2) Minimal, limited government (colonial/industiral america, post revolutionary france). I know which I'm voting for... and I have a hunch which one you are voting for...

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Would you include in a list of maladaptivities disproportionate special influence and lobbying? This isn't the Galapogos Islands we're talking about here.
 
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Its interferred with all the time...
No argument from me. But my question was why do we need to interfere, especially when we can't afford it?
 
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Thats capitalism.
Walk on a treadmill hooked up to EKG= $1200.
" " " " " " " " and lung capacity test= $4000. and change. Had to badger them to get the cost. They told me I needed it. I'll take my chances.

I love how when you go to the doctor, it's really difficult to get the price from the doctor most of the time for a procedure before it's performed on you. Once it's done on you, the price all of a sudden is magically known when you quickly get the bill. If they told you the price, I bet most people would not get the procedure done, unless it's life threatening, especially if they have no insurance or have a high deductible. So they send you the bill, and if you don't pay, it gets sent to collections agencies.
 
Yeah, this was a big issue with auto repairs in the past... consumer protections were enacted requiring written estimates and signed consent before any work could be performed.

They can do the same for health services... Emergency services may require some exceptions.



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I love how when you go to the doctor, it's really difficult to get the price from the doctor most of the time for a procedure before it's performed on you. Once it's done on you, the price all of a sudden is magically known when you quickly get the bill. If they told you the price, I bet most people would not get the procedure done, unless it's life threatening, especially if they have no insurance or have a high deductible. So they send you the bill, and if you don't pay, it gets sent to collections agencies.
 
Quote from phenomena:

Special influence and lobbying are a product of bloated and obese government. Big government is the initial maladaptive causal to the other two, which are merely symptoms of big government.

As long as you have big government, industrialists will ALWAYS come corrupt it. Big business is the number one argument against big government. If a government isn't very powerful, and doesn't have much authority to begin with, there isn't much sense in spending resources to corrupt and control it is there?

Hence, the only options are 1) Total government (authoritarian communism, Stalinist Russia) , or 2) Minimal, limited government (colonial/industiral america, post revolutionary france). I know which I'm voting for... and I have a hunch which one you are voting for...


So your'e FOR corrupting government so they can't regulate big business? Keep government small and indifferent or apathetic to whatever the industrialist wants --skip inspections, cut costs in the interest of short term profits, risk passengers and consumers very lives, pollute water and food sources etc. ? Are we going to have regulation on the honor system?

Your idea of governance is a digital cd player whose sampling rate
would make your music sound unacceptable. Things aren't anywhere near so black and white. There are talk show hosts who would have our people believe that but I see through them.
the political spectrum would be better seen as a continuum. Life is analogue.
 
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I love how when you go to the doctor, it's really difficult to get the price from the doctor most of the time for a procedure before it's performed on you. Once it's done on you, the price all of a sudden is magically known when you quickly get the bill. If they told you the price, I bet most people would not get the procedure done, unless it's life threatening, especially if they have no insurance or have a high deductible. So they send you the bill, and if you don't pay, it gets sent to collections agencies.

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