46.3 million Americans without health insurance

You should read my initial post before commenting numpty!

I stated in my initial post I have been exposed to private, military and no insurance in the US. Plus I have been exposed to private insurance and the NHS in England.

I fall in to a very small percentage of the world's population which have experienced several different types of medical or lack of medical insurance.
 
Quote from Maverickz:

That is part of the problem. Too many people go to see a Dr (or to the ER) every time their nose runs. There are OTC drugs already to handle colds and flu symptoms and cost a ton less cash. Now if symptoms persist for longer than normal THEN go to the Dr. The more you depend on medications for every little thing that happens to you, the more you become dependent on them.
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i am also one of those who is blessed to live in
a country where healthcare is taken care of and i can ensure
you that you are trying to save on the wrong site.
the big expenses are dentist visits and longterm special medication and/or surgery's.

about 2 years ago i was for the first time in my life not insured
for a couple of days as i lived in germany for over 10 years and just migrated back
to the netherlands but i wasnt reported as a dutch citizen yet. i recieved a terible and strange headegg which came allways
at the exact same time. this happend emediatly after i was back
in holland and before my insurance was set up.i went
to see a doctor, it endet up by giving me some pills
and advise; te visit lasted about 15 minutes and i had to pay for
it meself as i didnt have insurance yet

the bill?

45eur,- for something you maybe need 1 time a year

how are you saving by not going to see a doctor,
those are not the expenses
 
The number is grossly inflated, but for the sake of argument let's assume it's accurate. How do we insure 47 million additional people "without adding a dime to the deficit" as stated by the president? How do we put 47 million more in to waiting rooms and not see quality of care go down? He lies, you lefties lie, and you've played your race card way too early. You're going to need some health care, because 2010 is shaping up to be a massacre for you.
 
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The number is grossly inflated, but for the sake of argument let's assume it's accurate. How do we insure 47 million additional people "without adding a dime to the deficit" as stated by the president? How do we put 47 million more in to waiting rooms and not see quality of care go down? He lies, you lefties lie, and you've played your race card way too early. You're going to need some health care, because 2010 is shaping up to be a massacre for you.
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We need to hire more doctors from other countries.
 
Quote from marine:

You are a moron and part of what is wrong with the US!

My kid was sick for 3 days before we took him to the doctor. When we took him he had 105 temperature. We were using OTC medicine and the pharmacist said that we should bring the child to a doctor. He past whatever he had onto my wife as well and we figured since we were going then she should be seen as well because she couldn't get a perscription without paying to see the doctor. They both just laid on a couch for a week because they were sick.

Yes, they probably would have recovered without seeing the doctor but it would have taken a couple weeks longer. The *any*cillin helped them recover a hell of alot quicker. Why take the chance we are not in the stone age anymore.

BTW - 90% of the time the doctor doesn't know exactly what is the problem so they make a judgement call from the symptoms how to treat it. Of that 90%, 10% of the time they made the wrong decision and the perscription doesn't help.

The point I was trying to make which you so obviously missed is the normal visit to just get a perscription shouldn't be so expensive. In theory there should be a free clinic or a minimal charge where someone can go initially to get the medicine they need. You should treat illness as soon as possible to stop it from spreading.

I bet you are one of those idiots that go to work / visit public places and sneeze and pass on germs to everyone when you are sick and should have stayed at home. You probably also send your child to school or daycare when he is sick as well.

BTW - When you get swine flu this winter I guess you are not going to go to the doctor because you can beat it without medicine.
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First of all dumb ass, a fever of 105 is NOT just a runny nose is it? Yes of course you should have taken your kid in for that. Many people do go to the Dr. every time they sneeze and yes that is a problem.

As far as your 10% of the time the medicine doesn't work is obviously a completely made up statistic. I do not know the % so I won't speculate but I do know for a fact that if you go to the Dr. and have a virus most of them still prescribe an antibiotic....which DOES NOTHING for a virus. Most people don't even realize this (you probably being one of them) and fill this script anyway. What this in effect does is add to the problem of bacteria that gets immune to antibiotics.

No I am not an idiot and I do not spread sickness on purpose. Stop being a dumb ass. Using common sense to avoid wasting time and money on useless Dr visits does not equal rampant spreading of sickness. Then again, I guess common sense isn't so common.

Finally I do agree with you that office visits should not cost $350 for a 15 minute office visit but that is partly why I am an advocate of Tort reform and some way to help ensure Dr's aren't over prescribing medicine.

PS: I really hate having to call people names like dumb ass but when you attack me first with silly names, you should expect it in return.
 
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how are you saving by not going to see a doctor,
those are not the expenses
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Notice that marine said in the US that an uninsured office visit costs $350 usd. The prescription medications that you then have to pay for add a lot more cost. So yes for minor things like a common cold taking OTC cold medicine for $5 - $10 saves an uninsured person a lot of money. For those with decent insurance that office visit would cost about $15-$30 (copay) and about another $10-$45 for the meds. So even still it's cheaper to use OTC stuff for common colds but that is still negligible cost difference.

The big issue comes in when non-insured people go to the ER for treatment of a common cold. ER bills are a LOT more expensive than a DR visit for uninsured people and since most of the people doing this DO NOT PAY that bill the costs of those people causes everything else the hospital does to get raised and thus insurance premiums become a lot higher for EVERYONE.
 
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