32 new charges filed against Trump campaign manager and aide. Time to flip or die in prison

everything else you are talking about may or may not be true.
Its irrelevant...

You just made up that game changing statement about laundering dirty russian money while working for Trump.

Had it been in the indictment, it would have been a trump ass kicking problem.
But you made that shit up.... you lied.




exGOPer said:
And these indictments include shit Manafort/Gates did during the campaign/transition. Trump's campaign manager was actively laundering dirty Russian money during Trump's campaign.

There goes that "unrelated...this was years ago talking point.

Next stop, Trump's finances, I am sure they are all clean and nothing shady ever happened!
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jem said:
everything else you are talking about may or may not be true.
Its irrelevant...

You just made up that game changing statement about laundering dirty russian money while working for Trump.

Had it been in the indictment, it would have been a trump ass kicking problem.
But you made that shit up.... you lied.
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Between about 2015 and at least January 2017, “the Ukraine income dwindled” because of the downfall of the country’s president. So during that period, which Mueller calls “the second part of the scheme,” Manafort and Gates “fraudulently secured more than twenty million dollars in loans,” the indictment alleges. They used the real estate Manafort had purchased with his offshore funds as collateral and lied about their company’s income and their existing debt to lenders.

That is MONEY LAUNDERING and it happened when they were working for Trump's campaign, that part is not ambiguous.

You are the liar here by ignoring basic facts about the indictment.
 
exGOPer said:
If convicted (which is assured given who the prosecutors are), Manafort would die in Federal prison.


  1. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2010) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  2. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2011) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  3. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2012) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  4. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2013) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  5. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2014) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  6. Assisting in the Preparation of False United States Individual ncome (2010) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)) - Gates
  7. Assisting in the Preparation of False United States Individual Income (2011) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)) - Gates
  8. Assisting in the Preparation of False United States Individual Income (2012) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)) - Gates
  9. Assisting in the Preparation of False United States Individual Income (2013) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)) - Gates
  10. Assisting in the Preparation of False United States Individual Income (2014) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(2)) - Gates
  11. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2011) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  12. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2012) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  13. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2013) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  14. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2014) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Manafort
  15. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2010) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  16. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2011) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  17. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2012) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  18. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2013) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  19. Subscribing to False United States Individual Income Tax Returns (2014) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  20. Subscribing to a False Amended United States Individual Income Tax Return (2013) (26 U.S.C. § 7206(1); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  21. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2011) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  22. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2012) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  23. Failure To File Reports Of Foreign Bank And Financial Accounts (2013) (31 U.S.C. §§ 5314 and 5322(a); 18 U.S.C. § 2) - Gates
  24. Bank Fraud Conspiracy (Lender B/$3.4 million loan) (18 U.S.C. § 1349) - Manafort Gates
  25. Bank Fraud (Lender B/$3.4 million loan) (18 U.S.C. §§ 1344, 2) - Manafort Gates
  26. Bank Fraud Conspiracy (Lender C / $1 million loan) (18 U.S.C. § 1349) - Manafort Gates
  27. Bank Fraud (Lender C / $1 million loan) (18 U.S.C. § 1344, 2) - Manafort Gates
  28. Bank Fraud Conspiracy (Lender B / $5.5 million loan) (18 U.S.C. § 1349) - Manafort Gates
  29. Bank Fraud Conspiracy (Lender D / $9.5 million loan (18 U.S.C. § 1349) - Manafort Gates
  30. Bank Fraud (Lender D / $9.5 million loan) (18 U.S.C. §§ 1344, 2) - Manafort Gates
  31. Bank Fraud Conspiracy (Lender D / $6.5 million loan) (18 U.S.C. § 1349) - Manafort Gates
  32. Bank Fraud (Lender D / $6.5 million loan) (18 U.S.C. §§ 1344, 2) - Manafort Gates
Source: Indictment PDF

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That's gonna leave a mark.
 
1. that is certainly not laundering dirty russian money while working with Trump. . see below

plus...

2. this is what I read in the beginning of the indictment...

pre trump there was hiding money earned doing work for Ukraine. (you know like Podesta's indictment) and then not reporting it to the the IRS while buying real estate and pretending to get loans from these off shore companies.

then while working for trump we saw this...(which would not be laundering dirty Russian money... as you claimed.)


" In the second part of the scheme, between approximately 2015 and at least January 2017,
when the Ukraine income dwindled after Yanukovych fled to Russia, MANAFORT, with the
assistance of GATES, extracted money from MANAFORT’s United States real estate by, among
other things, using those properties as collateral to obtain loans from multiple financial institutions.
MANAFORT and GATES fraudulently secured more than twenty million dollars in loans by
falsely inflating MANAFORT’s and his company’s income and by failing to disclose existing debt
in order to qualify for the loans."

exGOPer said:
And these indictments include shit Manafort/Gates did during the campaign/transition. Trump's campaign manager was actively laundering dirty Russian money during Trump's campaign.

There goes that "unrelated...this was years ago talking point.

Next stop, Trump's finances, I am sure they are all clean and nothing shady ever happened!
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Its easy to charge someone. It is not so easy to convict them. The Mueller probe is unraveling. Haven't you figured that out yet?
 
wildchild said:
Its easy to charge someone. It is not so easy to convict them. The Mueller probe is unraveling.Haven't you figured that out yet?
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Gates just plead guilty,which is a conviction.Gates is cooperating to make it easier to convict Manafort.The Mueller probe is extremely strong,why haven't you figured that out yet?
 
Tony Stark said:
Gates just plead guilty,which is a conviction.Gates is cooperating to make it easier to convict Manafort.The Mueller probe is extremely strong,why haven't you figured that out yet?
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You do understand there are many reasons people plead guilty even if they are not?
 
jem said:
1. that is certainly not laundering dirty russian money while working with Trump. . see below

plus...

2. this is what I just saw... in the beginning of the indictment...
did you just jumble up facts to suit your lies or do you accurately restate what is in the indictment. Here is what I saw in the indictment...

This would not be money laundering while working for trump and it certainly would not be laundering dirty Russian money... as you claimed.


" In the second part of the scheme, between approximately 2015 and at least January 2017,
when the Ukraine income dwindled after Yanukovych fled to Russia, MANAFORT, with the
assistance of GATES, extracted money from MANAFORT’s United States real estate by, among
other things, using those properties as collateral to obtain loans from multiple financial institutions.
MANAFORT and GATES fraudulently secured more than twenty million dollars in loans by
falsely inflating MANAFORT’s and his company’s income and by failing to disclose existing debt
in order to qualify for the loans."
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So using ill gotten offshore funds to use as a collateral to buy local real estate is NOT money laundering? What do you call it?
 
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