$3,000,000,000,000 (trillion US $) cost

[gnome]

Quote from Joab:

All it takes is one person speaking passionately and honestly enough to sway the minds of millions.

You mean like Hitler "swayed" the Germans to Nazi-ism?

Germany had BIG problems... and one man spoke up and said, "I'm your deliverance".. and people listened.

Most American's don't perceive "they have a problem which requires a radical solution".. (you know, like fiscal responsibility?).

Americans won't heed the words of a Congressman who gets the microphone and TV coverage in front of the entire country. What makes you think they'd listen to anyone less?

One day, the problems will be so severe that the Gummint can no longer sugar-coat them. THEN the people will understand. THEN will also be too late.

 

[Renegen]

Joab is right, make some noise. There is a lack of leadership. Everyone wants to wait for the savior that will sweep the nation but that won't happen. It takes time to educate, to grow awareness. Start reading books about Ghandi and other social leaders and see how they tackled the problems of the day. India is a huge country and I'm sure that people had vested interests in keeping the british in power, what really made India gain its independence?

Get active, get busy.

 

[limitdown]

Quote from Spooz Top:

looks like they`ve fooled you too.........war on terror..i think not......war on the American people/middle class is more like it while natural resources are being stripped in Iraq & Afganistan in oil & opium....win/win situation for gov`t....lose/lose for the people.
another war mongering filthy texan republican in GW......40 years earlier was LBJ in Vietnam......see the pattern?

wow,

we must be dreamers, hoping that our economic systems survive the impact of the last 8 year reign...

dreamers, all!

 

[Joab]

Quote from gnome:

You mean like Hitler "swayed" the Germans to Nazi-ism?


One day, the problems will be so severe that the Gummint can no longer sugar-coat them. THEN the people will understand. THEN will also be too late.

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King etc etc...

But I think this thread amplifies the bigger problem with America - It's not it's leaders but it's people that have just rolled over and taken it up the ass.

 

[jficquette]

Quote from limitdown:

CNN Linda Bilmes -- report on this Iraq war

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillio...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207670735&sr=8-1

Larry Lindsey, economic advisor fired over saying it would have cost $2,000,000,000, this war in Iraq

$2,000 tax increase on every household in America just to pay for all the borrowed monies for this war, and that about $100 monthly in 2008,

this amount is easily doubled to $200 monthly for every American household for the cost of this war....

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what were they tinking?

That's such bullshit. That's more then the entire military budget for the last 5 years. Plus they act like the military only gets paid during a war. These guys would have been paid their regular salaries and trained whether at war or not.

John

 

[jficquette]

Quote from limitdown:

wow,

we must be dreamers, hoping that our economic systems survive the impact of the last 8 year reign...

dreamers, all!

It was Clintons mess that Bush has spent the last 8 years cleaning up.

It should be obvious by now to even you what a joke the Clintons are and to think we had that fool in the white house all those years.

John

 

[tgrady]

Quote from jficquette:

That's such bullshit. That's more then the entire military budget for the last 5 years. Plus they act like the military only gets paid during a war. These guys would have been paid their regular salaries and trained whether at war or not.

John

1. Most of the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan is funded outside of the military budget, through budgetary supplements.

2. 2007 Military budget alone was $439Billion.

3. Clinton had nothing to do with either war...

 

[lightfootg]

yea wow I had no idea.

 

[Hydroblunt]

Quote from limitdown:

technically speaking the Treasury prints or creates money and gets it started.

Treasury prints on behalf of the Federal Reserve, they do not have a say in the matter. Hence, the rest of your post is wrong.

There is no misconceptions. Feel free to look at the dollar anytime. It is a "Federal Reserve Note".

The only role of the government in the process is taking on more debt, which is then monetized. However, the more look into the concept, you realize that it was designed to be a vicious cycle from the start.

 

[number22]

Quote from Hydroblunt:

The only role of the government in the process is taking on more debt, which is then monetized. However, the more look into the concept, you realize that it was designed to be a vicious cycle from the start.

Buy physical gold and farm land; learning farming for oneself. I believe in Jim Rogers. Middle east is totally fucked up now.