25% tariff on goods coming in from Mexico announced

[Stockolio]

You're a smart guy. I don't know if you have *ever* posted something market-wise or trading-wise with which I have had an issue. But the most *complex* of trading/investments is still simple enough to be coded.

International Relations (no matter how realpolitik it may be when up close) is not simple. It is (to quote myself) "...long-lensed, involved, filled with subtleties and nuance, based strategic thinking, clothed in solid principles.
The solution is Statecraft."

That is not a quick nor a simple answer, and so you get the last word to clang an objection. But the fact remains that the current path to isolationism denies the stabilizing influence we had amongst our enemies and our friends, and we now face a more-unstable world, populated by enemies who play us like a fiddle, and friends who have seen the severed ties and have taken their loyalties elsewhere. Ponder that -- it's a fucking disaster.

Isolationism throughout history, anywhere on the globe -- lessens the country that practices it. Without exception.

Defense is always more expensive.

Grummy is a retarded chinese loser in his 50s, he's always in his feelings and doesn't trade at all... Probably did at some point, got tired losing his paychecks... Now threats it like a expensive hobby, when has spare money he dumps into Account and punts.

Very dumb and low critical thinking... Attacked me and kept running his fingers when I posted my china Thesis, I claimed chinese banks would start to fail, one bank failed and he went quiet. He's a weasel, always in his feelings and always giving in his dumb opinion, he never states facts... Doesn't like the truth

 

[tommcginnis]

The US has something like 800 military bases in about 70 Countries - hardly isolationist by any standard.

Don’t conflate isolationism with nationalism. Oh, and look at recent elections in the EU and in India - Trump and the US is hardly the only citizenry with nationalist trends.

And with all due respect to you, bone -- The base count you cite is history and is explicitly *hated* by The Stable Genius. As for "nationalist trends?" It is you who conflate that crowd action as a bandwagon on which we should hop. That is no basis for matters of state. Again, NEVER in history has that done anybody any good.

And as a libertarian Political Science geek, I am not one to conflate isolationism with nationalism. Rather, I recognize that the current phraseology is not about Making [anything] Great, but upon demonizing The Other Guy. The problem is, We ARE The Other Guy. We ARE a nation of immigrants. Of socio-economic migrants looking for opportunity. THAT'S US -- IN THE MIRROR. That's Agent Orange's own grandfather Drumpf. That's two of his three wives. "Hello!" "Chain visas" -- there's Melania's parents, at the gate.

We ARE, all of us, The Other Guy. AND THANK GOD. Look at immigrant percentages in reality: look at percents of
• those who pick our food
• those who head Fortune 500 companies
• those who have lead U.S. patent awards since around 1980.
In each of those, we *depend* on immigrants.

I'm no leftie. I'm just CHEAP, and my world will be a lot worse if we continue on this path -- no matter the label.

 

[Cuddles]

The solution is long-lensed, involved, filled with subtleties and nuance, based strategic thinking, clothed in solid principles.
The solution is Statecraft.

Who's going to man the border defenses you envision? YOUR sons and daughters? Do they lose an arm or leg in the process? Who's going to buy the gasoline, ammunition, training supplies? YOUR tax dollars?

Defense ALWAYS costs more. The Stable Genius spent $65,000,000 to blow holes in some Syrian runways -- the effects of which lasted 48 hours -- but protests spending $100,000,000 in ANNUAL humanitarian aid to our southern neighbors, because there remained people miserable enough to leave their collapsing social structures. F-ing genius. And now WE, THE U.S. TAXPAYERS, have this on our border, and we're spending $BILLIONS to address it.

Maybe I'm humanitarian, sure. Or maybe I'm just CHEAP.

I thought the solution was to pull the wood from the bedroom? Basically disincentivize illegal migration by clamping down on employers.

Here's some trivia:
Cost of tweet on the "big 3" automakers market cap: 17 billion
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...le-stocks-drop-on-trump-s-mexico-tariff-tweet

Yearly cost on America from illegal immigration according to Trump's tooth fairy sources: 19 billion
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/trump-cost-illegal-immigration.html

 

[tommcginnis]

I thought the solution was to pull the wood from the bedroom? Basically disincentivize illegal migration by clamping down on employers.

Here's some trivia:
Cost of tweet on the "big 3" automakers market cap: 17 billion
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...le-stocks-drop-on-trump-s-mexico-tariff-tweet

Yearly cost on America from illegal immigration according to Trump's tooth fairy sources: 19 billion
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/trump-cost-illegal-immigration.html

And then! The reading list to give ulcers to the xenophobes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gdp+from+illegal+aliens+undocumented+labor

 

[bone]

And with all due respect to you, bone -- The base count you cite is history and is explicitly *hated* by The Stable Genius. As for "nationalist trends?" It is you who conflate that crowd action as a bandwagon on which we should hop. That is no basis for matters of state. Again, NEVER in history has that done anybody any good.

And as a libertarian Political Science geek, I am not one to conflate isolationism with nationalism. Rather, I recognize that the current phraseology is not about Making [anything] Great, but upon demonizing The Other Guy. The problem is, We ARE The Other Guy. We ARE a nation of immigrants. Of socio-economic migrants looking for opportunity. THAT'S US -- IN THE MIRROR. That's Agent Orange's own grandfather Drumpf. That's two of his three wives. "Hello!" "Chain visas" -- there's Melania's parents, at the gate.

We ARE, all of us, The Other Guy. AND THANK GOD. Look at immigrant percentages in reality: look at percents of
• those who pick our food
• those who head Fortune 500 companies
• those who have lead U.S. patent awards since around 1980.
In each of those, we *depend* on immigrants.

I'm no leftie. I'm just CHEAP, and my world will be a lot worse if we continue on this path -- no matter the label.

Don’t stop there - you must just be getting warmed up because somehow you’ve left out political correctness and grievance politics when it comes to demonizing groups of people and playing them against each other for political expediency. I see it on both sides of the political spectrum and it nauseates me. There used to be a time when being a Liberal stood for free speech and inclusion and a rejection of corporatism - that hasn’t been the case for a couple decades now. The Right doesn’t sit particularly well with me for the notable reason that I detest mixing politics with religion.

I agree with most Libertarian philosophies with the notable exception of open borders. Why bother being a citizen and paying taxes if that’s the case.

 

[GRULSTMRNN]

This is exactly how Obama and Clinton lost the vote. A lot of eloquent words but not one single solution or suggestion to solve a specific, real, problem. Even if the answer is not perfect, even if it's not the best answer in hindsight, still at least a solution or suggestion is needed. Equally the American people will vote for someone next year who offers real answers to real problems. I am not American so I don't have a beef in this. But I fear the outcome is not gonna be pretty.

You're a smart guy. I don't know if you have *ever* posted something market-wise or trading-wise with which I have had an issue. But the most *complex* of trading/investments is still simple enough to be coded.

International Relations (no matter how realpolitik it may be when up close) is not simple. It is (to quote myself) "...long-lensed, involved, filled with subtleties and nuance, based [in] strategic thinking, clothed in solid principles.
The solution is Statecraft."

That is not a quick nor a simple answer, and so you get the last word to clang an objection. But the fact remains that the current path to isolationism denies the stabilizing influence we had amongst our enemies and our friends, and we now face a more-unstable world, populated by enemies who play us like a fiddle, and friends who have seen the severed ties and have taken their loyalties elsewhere. Ponder that -- it's a fucking disaster.

Isolationism throughout history, anywhere on the globe -- lessens the country that practices it. Without exception.

Defense is always more expensive.

 

[GRULSTMRNN]

I am no xenophobe and neither are most Americans who voted Trump. I strongly believe that most Americans just don't want illegals coming into the country anymore. Other than statisticians nobody in their right mind wants gdp derived from illegals and undocumented workers. So to boast our rape statistics are we also saying that only rapists who rape a lot are good rapists because they push the number up? I can only ask time and again: what has happened to this country that time and again wrongdoing is tolerated because some good comes along with it? "But judge, yes I knew my maid is an illegal but but but she did the dishes so beautifully and took good care of our youngest, and she gave grandpa his weekly blow job, can't you let Teresa stay in the US pls?" How is this not easily the stupidest argument?

And then! The reading list to give ulcers to the xenophobes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gdp+from+illegal+aliens+undocumented+labor

 

[Cuddles]

This is exactly how Obama and Clinton lost the vote. A lot of eloquent words but not one single solution or suggestion to solve a specific, real, priblem. Even if the answer is not perfect, even if it's not the best answer in hindsight, still at least a solution or suggestion is needed. Equally the American people will vote for someone next year who offers real answers to real problems. I am not American so I don't have a beef in this. But I fear the outcome is not gonna be pretty.

Obama lost the vote?

 

[GRULSTMRNN]

How the left lost the constitutionally designed and agreed vote. It's pathetic to complain for 3 years now how the popular vote was won when everyone clearly agreed to the rules of the game beforehand, nobody had an issue with the rules. Change the rules next time before the election if you don't like the rules

Obama lost the vote?

 

[volpri]

The id*t is at it again.

ES is down by 1%.

Shorting opportunity? Don’t blame Mr T blame Mexico....lol