$25,000 minimum for daytrading needs to be changed

Quote from BSAM:

That's two of your three in five.

Wikipedia page has this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader

If you buy the same stock, at 3 different times in the same day, and close all of that same stock in one trade, that will be considered 3 day trades. The next day trade in the next 4 business days will freeze your account (you can only close existing positions) for 90 days, or until you get $25,000 cash into your account, whichever comes first. This also applies to options.
 
Quote from mark_mm:

Wikipedia page has this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader

If you buy the same stock, at 3 different times in the same day, and close all of that same stock in one trade, that will be considered 3 day trades. The next day trade in the next 4 business days will freeze your account (you can only close existing positions) for 90 days, or until you get $25,000 cash into your account, whichever comes first. This also applies to options.

Literally, what you have written is correct. But, (and this is the big butt that you don't want to hear) it doesn't have to be the same stock.
 
The market makers are still manipulating stocks. Now it's done by algorithms and HFT machines. There is no need for humans and specialist system in the NYSE. Hence the NYSE is sold.


Quote from hughb:

This is somewhat correct. I was daytrading stocks back before the PDT rule was being "enforced". There have always been restrictions against daytrading stocks, but brokerages never enforced them. My broker, Scottrade, was fined $800K for not enforcing the PDT rule.

Both the SEC and NASD were receiving mountains of complaints via email about being ripped off in one fashion or another from newbs who were daytrading. This was a big factor in writing the new rule and actually enforcing it on the brokers. If you were a government beauracrat you would get sick of recieving the same whiny emails hour after hour each day from pikers complaining that market makers were manipulating stocks and ripping them off. A friend of mine at the time who was a newb actually sent charts of Micron Technology to the SEC several times pointing out some imagined intraday pattern that "proved" "market makers" were manipulating the stock. MU was an NYSE stock and traded under the specialist system back in that day. It was that kind of moronic behavior that pushed regulators to clamp down.

And yeah, the shootings didn't help either.....
 
Quote from jimmyzee:

That is what you get when the exchange is controlled by a few major participants or a few market makers. The NYSE or the entire US market is controlled by five players. It's an oligopoly market. Now with DB buying NYSE, the controll of the market is even fewer hands.
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Who are the five players?

DirectEDGE
Goldman
Knight (but is directly/indirectly owned/owns DirectEDGE with GS)
 
In my opinion both traders and the market would benefit from elimination of this rule, but elimination might not be beneficial to brokers. I'm not sure. Frankly. I don't understand the rationale behind the rule. I does not make sense to me.
 
Quote from BSAM:

Literally, what you have written is correct. But, (and this is the big butt that you don't want to hear) it doesn't have to be the same stock.

Does this law only apply in USA? I am from UK so if I choose a UK broker that allows me to trade US equities, will I still have to follow this silly rule? If so I guess I can trade CFD's?
 
Quote from pookie:

The PDT rule applies to cash and margin accounts.
Well, this is confusing...

http://www.finra.org/Investors/SmartInvesting/AdvancedInvesting/DayTrading/P005906

"Day trading in a cash account is generally prohibited. Day trades can occur in a cash account only to the extent the trades do not violate the free-riding prohibition of Federal Reserve Board's Regulation T. In general, failing to pay for a security before you sell the security in a cash account violates the free-riding prohibition. If you free-ride, your broker is required to place a 90-day freeze on the account."

:confused:
 
Quote from optionsgirl:

Well, this is where I am getting my information from. Where did you get yours? :confused:

http://www.finra.org/Investors/SmartInvesting/AdvancedInvesting/DayTrading/P005906

"Day trading in a cash account is generally prohibited. Day trades can occur in a cash account only to the extent the trades do not violate the free-riding prohibition of Federal Reserve Board's Regulation T. In general, failing to pay for a security before you sell the security in a cash account violates the free-riding prohibition. If you free-ride, your broker is required to place a 90-day freeze on the account."

BFD. Trading on cash you'll get killed against th HFTs.
 
Quote from Jackshark:

The fact is you really can't make money with an account under 25k outside of prop shops.

agreed. Unless your swing trading, Your going to have a hard time making any money day trading 25k, unless your trading penny stocks..
 
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