24 single looking to go full time into day trading

Jack, once again you spew excuses like a fire hose... almost 1000 words this time.

Who do you think you're kidding? If you could back up your delusional claims like this one, you'd do it in a heartbeat.

"I do reach my goal of 3x H-L in ES as a practice."
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=912447&highlight=reach+goal+3x#post912447

But you never will because you can't. So you play pied piper with the naive, who fall for your crap because they desperately need to "believe."
Quote from jack hershey:

You may wish to review item 7 of my post.

When trading is going on in real time with real money, as you say, there is no dispute.

It is possible when we were on other people's turf, there was an element of "competing". This means that accounts were open for most people there in that place. Trades were being done and continuous comparisons were made.

Separate feeds and platforms were in use simply because the turf platforms were not usable "as is". we settled for one screen on a laptop and used a wireless connection. At the CME there must be tons of wireless options avaialble on any floor or if sitting outside.

How long it was necessary to make the popint depended upon the observer's preparation. Those who had read all the archived materials and had followed posts for a good while, were more able to understand and ask questions.

Programmers and writers were oriented to getting the foundations and building blocks so they could do the tasks that were then assigned to them. The results of that work are public.

in another circumstance, if a commercial platform is being rebuilt or replaced, then it is a phase oriented process. Each phase prepares for what comes next. Necessarily, the first efforts are for the company to come to understand its data is flawed. This is not a simple task to convey to people who are selling data. Once that is accomplished and the resourse becomes usable then, facilitating the next phases becomes more orderly and easier. So far, it involves years of effort.

Why commercial outfits make the effort and spend the money is easy to determine. They have a possibility of observing in real time accounts that arrive on thier door steps.

What has it been like over the last fifty plus years for the brokers and agents who did see this happening? When operating under NFA section 208, it is something else. There was a common periodicity of C and R's. If there was a pause, then the call initator was reversed. The IB would initiate the call for a confirmation of "no news is good news". Why during these years and years of trading was this the common practise? the reson was related to the agreement in vogue regarding "coattail trading". this may be unfamiliar to you and others on ET.

The criticism I receive from others, qualifies those people as to what they know and what they have experienced. Apparently few of them, you included, have not had personal relationships with agents of IB or broker account managers. I feel that few of my critics have ever had LPOA's anywhere or been or either side of LPOA's. I operated at the NFA limit of LPOA's I did always did "bunched" trades where it was the responsibility of the broker or IB to "spread the wealth around" in the accounts.

You may notice that I mention being cited for criminal activity. try to associate that with timing of trading and running multiple large accounts. review you "movie" experience if nothing else.

Examine how a person gets to trade using the trading desk of his IB or broker. I would have to know the ID number of my agent(s) and I would be setting the fees and commissions. when a person is doing that, he usually "throws bones" for the convenience provided. And that person may have standing instructions for his clients he does coattail trading for.

How many ten of thouseands of trades do you think others have observed of me trading just considering the days before electronic trading?

There is no one who has ever disputed my results. Everyone who has seen my results wanted part of the action one way or another. The people who are criticising me are not disputing my results. what they are whining about is their poor phishing skills and their translation of what I say into what they call "claims". I do not make claims. I state the facts of my experience which has, for five decades, been observed by people who work for me as I trade.

In the opinion of most of these observers, I am from another planet and they do not have the ability to answer the question: "Who the hell is jack hershey?". All they know is what I do trading and the results of what I do trading. In other fields, I have enjoyed the same reaction from those I worked with. It is all very very humorous and a truly fun experience for all.

I may be a little different than most people; I find nothing wrong with that. Because I give everything away and do not keep things, I turn out to be something people are sceptical of and it cannot possibly be real.

We are starting a program for vets in Tucson this Fall. It has to do with the consequences of being taught how to kill others. The sponsoring group is truly uncommon. Putting a different first recourse in front of PTSD is almost as pleasurable as enabling families to "take" all the money they need for any lifestyle.

Learning to learn is an important topic. Knowing how the mind works is equaly important. as you see, my critics know little or nothing about either. They are in a tough place. What I post is based upon very very successful trading experiences for five decades. Anyone who is an expert trader can read and verify my skills to anyone who is not expert. See if you can find an expert and have him/her read enough to get you straight on this matter. Presently, your thinking, if any, is screwed up for some reasons.
 
Quote from R. Raskolnikov:

Excellent post Jack. You are right on the nose with what you are doing.
The Swordsman (R. Raskolnikov) is a great example of the stages a Hershey trader goes through while studying Jack's "teachings."


Stage 1 -- Eagerness and Ingratiation

licking my chops as i only get better yes, agree jack and spyder are great, jack is a little tough to follow but his teachings, once untangled, are very helpful!
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1563544&#post1563544

Stage 2 -- Delusion and Defensiveness

Im sure you probably didnt know this but actually on the very first page of the "Spydertraders Jack Hersheys Futures" thread there are links to many pieces of info for people to do their due dilligence first, ranging from the terminology to concepts to just basic background info. Anyone who read that stuff and continued on would never been seen as following a guru blindly. And it cleary states that one should read all the associated links before moving on.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1862711&#post1862711

Stage 3 -- Denial

I've repeatedly told you I don't trade SCT only that I asked some questions over a year and a half ago
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2082939&#post2082939

Stage 4 -- Acceptance

Not once have I ever spoken to Jack Hershey and for all I know he's a shitty trader like you all say.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1753104&#post1753104
 
Quote from jack hershey:

You may wish to review item 7 of my post.

When trading is going on in real time with real money, as you say, there is no dispute.

It is possible when we were on other people's turf, there was an element of "competing". This means that accounts were open for most people there in that place. Trades were being done and continuous comparisons were made.

Separate feeds and platforms were in use simply because the turf platforms were not usable "as is". we settled for one screen on a laptop and used a wireless connection. At the CME there must be tons of wireless options avaialble on any floor or if sitting outside.

How long it was necessary to make the popint depended upon the observer's preparation. Those who had read all the archived materials and had followed posts for a good while, were more able to understand and ask questions.

Programmers and writers were oriented to getting the foundations and building blocks so they could do the tasks that were then assigned to them. The results of that work are public.

in another circumstance, if a commercial platform is being rebuilt or replaced, then it is a phase oriented process. Each phase prepares for what comes next. Necessarily, the first efforts are for the company to come to understand its data is flawed. This is not a simple task to convey to people who are selling data. Once that is accomplished and the resourse becomes usable then, facilitating the next phases becomes more orderly and easier. So far, it involves years of effort.

Why commercial outfits make the effort and spend the money is easy to determine. They have a possibility of observing in real time accounts that arrive on thier door steps.

What has it been like over the last fifty plus years for the brokers and agents who did see this happening? When operating under NFA section 208, it is something else. There was a common periodicity of C and R's. If there was a pause, then the call initator was reversed. The IB would initiate the call for a confirmation of "no news is good news". Why during these years and years of trading was this the common practise? the reson was related to the agreement in vogue regarding "coattail trading". this may be unfamiliar to you and others on ET.

The criticism I receive from others, qualifies those people as to what they know and what they have experienced. Apparently few of them, you included, have not had personal relationships with agents of IB or broker account managers. I feel that few of my critics have ever had LPOA's anywhere or been or either side of LPOA's. I operated at the NFA limit of LPOA's I did always did "bunched" trades where it was the responsibility of the broker or IB to "spread the wealth around" in the accounts.

You may notice that I mention being cited for criminal activity. try to associate that with timing of trading and running multiple large accounts. review you "movie" experience if nothing else.

Examine how a person gets to trade using the trading desk of his IB or broker. I would have to know the ID number of my agent(s) and I would be setting the fees and commissions. when a person is doing that, he usually "throws bones" for the convenience provided. And that person may have standing instructions for his clients he does coattail trading for.

How many ten of thouseands of trades do you think others have observed of me trading just considering the days before electronic trading?

There is no one who has ever disputed my results. Everyone who has seen my results wanted part of the action one way or another. The people who are criticising me are not disputing my results. what they are whining about is their poor phishing skills and their translation of what I say into what they call "claims". I do not make claims. I state the facts of my experience which has, for five decades, been observed by people who work for me as I trade.

In the opinion of most of these observers, I am from another planet and they do not have the ability to answer the question: "Who the hell is jack hershey?". All they know is what I do trading and the results of what I do trading. In other fields, I have enjoyed the same reaction from those I worked with. It is all very very humorous and a truly fun experience for all.

I may be a little different than most people; I find nothing wrong with that. Because I give everything away and do not keep things, I turn out to be something people are sceptical of and it cannot possibly be real.

We are starting a program for vets in Tucson this Fall. It has to do with the consequences of being taught how to kill others. The sponsoring group is truly uncommon. Putting a different first recourse in front of PTSD is almost as pleasurable as enabling families to "take" all the money they need for any lifestyle.

Learning to learn is an important topic. Knowing how the mind works is equaly important. as you see, my critics know little or nothing about either. They are in a tough place. What I post is based upon very very successful trading experiences for five decades. Anyone who is an expert trader can read and verify my skills to anyone who is not expert. See if you can find an expert and have him/her read enough to get you straight on this matter. Presently, your thinking, if any, is screwed up for some reasons.

This post (as usual) intentionally left obfuscated and impenetrable. Jack cannot get proof because he cannot make money - he may be even too feeble-minded or deluded or self-important to understand the difference. Many have tried to pin him down, and he becomes an excuse-generating leviathan.

It is like trying to put your thumb on a drop of mercury or wet watermelon seed.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

This post (as usual) intentionally left obfuscated and impenetrable. Jack cannot get proof because he cannot make money - he may be even too feeble-minded or deluded or self-important to understand the difference. Many have tried to pin him down, and he becomes an excuse-generating leviathan.

It is like trying to put your thumb on a drop of mercury or wet watermelon seed.


Read "Putting the Pieces Together" aloud in your library. Skim the bold print and the illustrations quickly next. Maybe you will learn something.

Use your thumb and forefinger. Hold a capillary or a pin. For amusement read about madhatters and rum and tequilla drinks using watermelons (no one has to thumb seeds....lol)
 
LOL. Classic Jack :p

If you could prove your claims you'd certainly rub our noses in it. That's clear to everyone except you and your deluded followers.
Quote from jack hershey:

Read "Putting the Pieces Together" aloud in your library. Skim the bold print and the illustrations quickly next. Maybe you will learn something.

Use your thumb and forefinger. Hold a capillary or a pin. For amusement read about madhatters and rum and tequilla drinks using watermelons (no one has to thumb seeds....lol)
 
Quote from Trader666:

LOL. Classic Jack :p

If you could prove your claims you'd certainly rub our noses in it. That's clear to everyone except you and your deluded followers.

As pointed out previously only results are proven. Those who get my commissions and fees and bones also get to see what the results prove.

You are dealing in claims and you want your collective noses rubbed in claims by someone doing something for you. Were I you, I would review the past calls and results. You could do that for anyone you choose. The record is clear by now for many many people using our methods.

Those that use my methods have results as well. The Tdog poll proved (by voting) that they had results. It may be possible that some people cannot trade and some people vote erroneously. If that is the case, then those people stop trading after a while. They make their own determination when to quit after encountering repeatd failure.

What markets show (and especially zero sum markets) is that there are winners and there are losers. You may wish to find some winners to emmulate. The 10 or 12 I like best are the guys who sit in on the panels called "great traders you have never met" at Traders Expo. Another way to get acquainted with great traders is to attend presentations and lurk around the guys who ask great questions. Near those people and in conversation with them you will met some great traders.

I remember a person who asked John Netto a couple of zingers in San Diego a couple of years back. He asked if she would be on the panel next time....LOL.... You have posted one of her charts recently. It was her fifth trade on Nutrisystems which she netted out of at a small profit (she did the four priors at an average of 30% net each)... Netto learned the 6ma on volume from her. I betcha you missed the tell on that one..... LOL
 
Quote from jack hershey:

As pointed out previously only results are proven. Those who get my commissions and fees and bones also get to see what the results prove.

You don't trade Jack, we all know that

You fell to pieces in a trading contest with no money on the line and ran out before it was finished

In short you cracked.. and there wasn't even any real money on the line

You are a Jack of no trades :p
 
Nutrisystems? Not sure what you're talking about but I do remember posting your failed NTES trade.

Remember the screenshot from your camtasia, along with what the stock did afterwards?

Remember how you bragged about that trade soon before it went south?
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Quote from jack hershey:

I remember a person who asked John Netto a couple of zingers in San Diego a couple of years back. He asked if she would be on the panel next time....LOL.... You have posted one of her charts recently. It was her fifth trade on Nutrisystems which she netted out of at a small profit (she did the four priors at an average of 30% net each)... Netto learned the 6ma on volume from her. I betcha you missed the tell on that one..... LOL
 
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