21 questions for Donald Trump...
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I'm afraid I'm not seeing the borders closed thing. Areas that once experienced a large influx of migrants from Mexico and Central America have fences and border controls that already cost us billions. And if you are socially and politically aware, I'm sure you've seen the statistics that the vast majority of illegals are here on visa violations. They are not border crossers.
And specifically what would a Donald Trump as president do to bring factories back home? Listen, that horse, as they say, has already left the barn. There's not a damn thing he can or will do.
"Listen, Immelt! You bring that damn GE plant back or I'm gonna...I'm gonna...well, you just bring it back!"
His platitudes and promises are just hot air. He is so transparent that really, I am surprised that anyone smart enough to tie his shoes can fall for his bluster.
Its not hopeless... we just need to go back to the foundations, when we had no income tax but we did have tariffs.
Trump has spoken of Tarriffs...
"Ted Cruz already shows us how we can bring the jobs home.
Ted Cruz's plan, by contrast, would eliminate the business tax on goods produced for export. As Cruz said:
Today, the U.S. taxes American producers that export goods, but it imposes no burden on imports. My business tax is border-adjusted, so exports are free of tax and imports pay the same business-flat-tax rate as U.S.-produced goods. By shifting to a territorial tax system that doesn’t tax income earned overseas twice, my plan will reverse the incentive for U.S. companies to relocate overseas. Instead, businesses will be relocating to America."
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...m_china_better_than_trumps.html#ixzz43aMgq1V4
Trump has spoken of Tarriffs...
"Ted Cruz already shows us how we can bring the jobs home.
Ted Cruz's plan, by contrast, would eliminate the business tax on goods produced for export. As Cruz said:
Today, the U.S. taxes American producers that export goods, but it imposes no burden on imports. My business tax is border-adjusted, so exports are free of tax and imports pay the same business-flat-tax rate as U.S.-produced goods. By shifting to a territorial tax system that doesn’t tax income earned overseas twice, my plan will reverse the incentive for U.S. companies to relocate overseas. Instead, businesses will be relocating to America."
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...m_china_better_than_trumps.html#ixzz43aMgq1V4
Over 7 million illegals entered the country since 911. Tariffs build mercantalistic economies. That's what China and Japan are - mercantalistic economies that use protectionary tariffs and competitive devaluation to run giant trade surpluses.
Can you post your source on this? I find it interesting that there can be data on the ratio of those crossing the border to those overstaying visas when no one has an accurate method of counting those crossing the border.
Robert Warren, a former INS demographer whose work was a part of that 1997 report, told PolitiFact that immigration trends had changed over the years. Since 2008, there are more immigrants overstaying their visas than crossing the border illegally, but there are fewer illegal immigrants in the country overall. The generally agreed upon total of illegal immigrants in the United States now is about 11 million, down from a high of 12 million in 2007.
And from Pew Research:
The largest wave of immigration in history from a single country to the United States has come to a standstill. After four decades that brought 12 million current immigrants—most of whom came illegally—the net migration flow from Mexico to the United States has stopped and may have reversed, according to a new analysis of government data from both countries by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center.
The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and broader economic conditions in Mexico.
But of course the centerpiece of Trump's campaign (in EVERY speech) is his promise to build a wall in his appeal to the uneducated and unemployed who feel threatened by anyone who doesn't look like them. His original estimate of 4 billion to build the wall (he is on tape) has now blossomed to 14 billion (his words).
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Maybe his endgame is just to get a wall built and have his company somehow get to do it. (Art of the deal: lowest bid, not fixed.) Self-proclaimed master of promotion, right?
So your source is that "some guy said it"? I went and looked up that guy and the study, wasn't able to find the actual figures. Would be nice if you could provide them. What I did find was this report that tries to detail the ratio between visa overstays and undocumented illegals. The problem, of course, is that no report seems to be able to provide any concrete data on the population of "undocumented illegals" that cross the border for the simple fact that these people simply don't "check in" at the border to report themselves, and the numbers coming in are - at best - an educated guess, with the word "educated" being used very, very loosely.
I went to the Pew article on this. It states:
Overall, migration flows between the U.S. and Mexico have slowed down. But the net flow from Mexico to the U.S. is now negative, as return migration of Mexican nationals and their children is now higher than migration of Mexicans heading to the U.S. These new findings are based on Pew Research Center estimates using U.S. Census Bureau surveys to measure inflow of Mexican immigrants to the U.S. and the National Survey on Demographic Dynamics (ENADID) from Mexico’s chief statistical agency (INEGI), which measures the number of Mexican immigrants who have moved back to Mexico after living in the U.S. between 2009 and 2014.2
Ah. This information was obtained by using U.S. Census data (illegal Mexicans fill out census data now?) and data from Mexico's chief statistical agency (which would never have any motivation to overstate returns to Mexico, or understate immigrants going to the US, right).
Oddly enough, clicking the "source" "2" on that says this:
The latest U.S. Census Bureau data for 2014 and 2015 indicates that the number of Mexican immigrants in the U.S. may have increased, suggesting a growing inflow of Mexican immigrants.
Let me know when you have a reliable source of real data and not a bunch of wobbly assumptions. Until then, your assumption that visa overstays vastly outnumber illegals crossing the border is, I'm afraid, unsubstantiated.
Well done, Tsing. I love how these people toss out vague estimates as "fact", and then we are idiots because we don't swallow them.
Frankly, I wouldn't trust any data on this, even if the government somehow did keep track of it. The subject is so highly politicized that nothing coming from this administration, or the republicans for that matter, can be trusted.
Frankly, I wouldn't trust any data on this, even if the government somehow did keep track of it. The subject is so highly politicized that nothing coming from this administration, or the republicans for that matter, can be trusted.