2001-2010 warmest decade on record: WMO

Quote from trefoil:

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Metropolis-Smaller-Driving-Sustainability/dp/1594488827

Good book, that basically agrees with everything you posted, despite what you might think from the title.
The only significant drop in CO2 emissions since records started being kept was in the early 90's, and you can trace that to the collapse of communism, which shut down scads of uneconomic and highly polluting factories in Eastern Europe. Once they began to recover, CO2 emissions growth resumed its steady and increasingly parabolic growth.
As this book points out, the only countries that met their CO2 targets with ease were - the Eastern European countries, because of that economic collapse.

Of course there is zero evidence that man causes global warming.
Because the only evidence we have is the warming precedes CO2 accumulation and cooling precedes CO2 dissipation.

Our real focus should be on pollution.
Our real focus should be talking about taking reasonable precautions about the unknown.

Rather trying to scare thinking people into allowing govt to steal more money and rights.
 
Quote from jem:

Of course there is zero evidence that man causes global warming.
Because the only evidence we have is the warming precedes CO2 accumulation and cooling precedes CO2 dissipation.

Our real focus should be on pollution.
Our real focus should be talking about taking reasonable precautions about the unknown.

Rather trying to scare thinking people into allowing govt to steal more money and rights.

You keep repeating the same thing which while having some truth to it is apparently causing you to ignore the fact that CO2 will cause temperatures to rise as it is a greenhouse gas by itself, without extra sun or anything else. This is a demonstrable physical property of CO2. During the PT boundary extinction event CO2 release was the driver of temp increase.

"Global temperature rose five degrees Celsius 56 million years ago in response to a massive injection of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
That intense gas release was only 10 percent of the rate at which heat-trapping greenhouse gases are building up in the atmosphere today.
The speed of today’s rise is more troubling than the absolute magnitude, because adjusting to rapid climate change is very difficult."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-last-great-global-warming
 
Quote from rew:

There are no carbon taxes in the United States, or in most of the other places in the world, particularly where carbon emissions are increasing most rapidly, such as China and India. Europe is putting carbon taxes on airline fuel, and China is fighting it tooth and nail, blocking Airbus orders in retaliation. Cap and trade is in place in some countries but even there it's a joke because big free carbon allotments are always given to the biggest carbon producers. (If you want the most politicized possible approach to reducing greenhouse gasses, support Cap and Trade.)

What small cars? I still see Americans buying giant SUVs and pick up trucks to get their groceries and commute to work. Then they whine about $4 a gallon gas. When I was a child Americans had bigger families and smaller cars.

Solar power and wind power, aside from being uneconomic, produce only a trivial fraction of our electricity. Most still comes from burning coal or natural gas. Some comes from nuclear power, which produces no greenhouse gasses but does from time to time make an area the size of Delaware uninhabitable.

There is ample evidence that human caused global warming is real. There is even more evidence that the costs of preventing this are so high, and the willingness of the public to incur those costs so low, that nothing of significance will be done about it. The conservatives will keep insisting that those evil climate scientists are liars and frauds, no matter how much evidence piles up, and the liberals will continue to fail to own up to the real costs of completely overhauling modern, overwhelmingly fossil fuel dependent, economies.

So the planet is fucked. Only fools are optimists.

Good summary of the situation.

A major impediment to controlling the problem is a lack of understanding and acceptance of the science by the public. When half the country don't even think it is real it's not surprising there is no support for significant policy changes.
 
Quote from jem:

Referring to the chart.
And I made a living off charts for about 6 years...
I would never take that trade. its seems to be bouncing around. It is consolidating.

Looks like a minor insignificant uptrend with recent downtrend around a fairly steady mean.

All of it noise until you show that CO2 accumulation causes warming.
Which to date would be impossible because in our history warming precedes CO2 accumulation.

As far as a trade goes... you would have to look at a much longer term chart... and then see if there is a reason to take a guess at a new direction or sit on the sidelines and look for easier trades.

If you are guessing for a breakout... it seems to me the top factor to consider is whether the sun will be causing the warming or not. (similar to anticipating accelerating earnings because of new technology or management. Or new publicity)

Just wondering if you looked at the other charts in the link I posted. It gives a better overview of the trend.....a longer term look. 35 years is not a long time frame in climatology. As a trader we must keep the over-all trend in mind, as you know. Here's the link again
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

You keep repeating the same thing which while having some truth to it is apparently causing you to ignore the fact that CO2 will cause temperatures to rise as it is a greenhouse gas by itself, without extra sun or anything else. This is a demonstrable physical property of CO2. During the PT boundary extinction event CO2 release was the driver of temp increase.

"Global temperature rose five degrees Celsius 56 million years ago in response to a massive injection of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
That intense gas release was only 10 percent of the rate at which heat-trapping greenhouse gases are building up in the atmosphere today.
The speed of today’s rise is more troubling than the absolute magnitude, because adjusting to rapid climate change is very difficult."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-last-great-global-warming

I saw no evidence of causation or even an explanation.
I am interested in learning more about this. Do you have link to the whole article.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

Good summary of the situation.

A major impediment to controlling the problem is a lack of understanding and acceptance of the science by the public. When half the country don't even think it is real it's not surprising there is no support for significant policy changes.

That pesky stupid public again, they just don't understand like the lofty scientists working on the recycling conveyer belt. Maybe if you show enough graphs and charts and yammer on and on and on they might become convinced.

Glass goes in the left bin, plastic in the right, paper in the bin marked "P". :)
 
Based on the analysis of entrapped air from ice cores extracted from permanent glaciers from various regions around the globe, it has been demonstrated that global warming began 18,000 years ago, accompanied by a steady rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide. Humans are quite likely the cause of a large portion of the 80 ppm rise in CO2 since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, and from a distance, it looks possible that increasing CO2 may cause atmospheric temperatures rise. However, on closer examination it is seen that CO2 lags an average of about 800 years behind the temperature changes-- confirming that CO2 is not the primary driver of the temperature changes.

The real signature of greenhouse warming is not surface temperature but temperature in the middle of the troposphere, about 5 kilometers up. If global warming is occurring from an increasing greenhouse effect due to CO2 additions by humans the temperature of the middle troposphere should be warming faster than Earth's surface (1,2). However, the opposite has been happening-- which suggests either the surface temperature records are in error or natural factors, such as changes in solar activity, may be responsible for the slight rise in surface temperatures (approximately 0.6° C, globally) that appears to have occurred over the past century.

Interestingly, from 1999 to the present the temperature of the mid troposphere has actually decreased slightly and surface temperatures have ceased warming -- even as CO2 concentrations have continued to increase (3). This should not be happening if CO2 increases to the atmosphere are the primary driver of global warming.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/temp_vs_CO2.html
 
Quote from jem:

Based on the analysis of entrapped air from ice cores extracted from permanent glaciers from various regions around the globe, it has been demonstrated that global warming began 18,000 years ago, accompanied by a steady rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide. Humans are quite likely the cause of a large portion of the 80 ppm rise in CO2 since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, and from a distance, it looks possible that increasing CO2 may cause atmospheric temperatures rise. However, on closer examination it is seen that CO2 lags an average of about 800 years behind the temperature changes-- confirming that CO2 is not the primary driver of the temperature changes.

The real signature of greenhouse warming is not surface temperature but temperature in the middle of the troposphere, about 5 kilometers up. If global warming is occurring from an increasing greenhouse effect due to CO2 additions by humans the temperature of the middle troposphere should be warming faster than Earth's surface (1,2). However, the opposite has been happening-- which suggests either the surface temperature records are in error or natural factors, such as changes in solar activity, may be responsible for the slight rise in surface temperatures (approximately 0.6° C, globally) that appears to have occurred over the past century.

Interestingly, from 1999 to the present the temperature of the mid troposphere has actually decreased slightly and surface temperatures have ceased warming -- even as CO2 concentrations have continued to increase (3). This should not be happening if CO2 increases to the atmosphere are the primary driver of global warming.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/temp_vs_CO2.html

I was wondering what kind of site that is. It didn't take long to find out. From the site..........


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