$1MM liquid -- how difficult to achieve 15% annual ROI with option writing?

>> ›› $1MM liquid -- how difficult to achieve 15% annual ROI with option writing? >>

You're asking this on the internet where there is some truth and a whole lotta perfect traders and soon to be Warren Buffets? :)

Sarcasm aside, it's not a question of how difficult this is to accomplish but whether you can do it. We all have different skills, different risk tolerance, etc. Let's suppose that due to my analysis skills, I am very successful at trading long calls (I'm not) and that I average 20% from them. Does that mean that you will be able to achieve the same?

So my two cents would be to keep reading and find what area of options interests you. Start slowly. Consider lower risk strategies that won't detonate your account if the market or your underlyings zoom/crash. At the onset, determine a draw down amount that you are willing to expend for your tuition. Hypothetically, say $25,000. Once you lose that, accept it that options are not for you.

OTOH, if you achieve gains, increase your size gradually but never put yourself in a position of high risk. Retirement is good and I'd shudder at the thought of having to go back to the grind.

As someone else suggested, don't put yourself into anything that could take a deep bite into your savings.
 
Quote from platinum:

Interested to survey the opinion of options vets on this board. I have recently retired from a lengthy career and have several $MM tucked away in managed assets with a trusted financial planner.

Needing something to do with my time, I am curious about the possibility of taking up stock option writing with a portion of my assets as a full time occupation. Question for the board members is the following. How achievable do you see a 15% annual return for options writing, after a guy studies for a good year? I would set aside $1MM of the assets to do option writes.

This would only meet my goals if I can convince myself that 15% per year is attainable. I welcome any thoughts from those of you on the board. My understanding of options is good, I have watched from a distance for many years yet I would need to spend time studying before venturing into the market on my own.
With some experience, you can even get 15% even without getting into options at all; swing trading index ETFs.

You can even get 15% IN ONE TRADE for example my last trade got me 13.99% (without broker commissions):

Buy .QQQAA (January 08 5 Calls) at $1.93 on 10/3/07.
Sell on 10/5/07 at $2.20.

But it takes time, you need to spot trends, buy dips; and stay in cash when there's no clear trend, and learn to early spot when the trend broke.

I NEVER write options. Buying slightly out of the money Calls with 70 or 100 days left gives about 10:1 leverage -enough for me-.
 
Quote from platinum:

Needing something to do with my time, I am curious about the possibility of taking up stock option writing with a portion of my assets as a full time occupation.

You could probably easily achieve 15% per annum writing OTM vertical spreads, if you pick stocks whose behaviour you are reasonably confident you can predict. Heck, you could probably invest most of your portfolio in debt to make about 5% and trade spreads conservatively with the margin to make another 10%. Closely following a somewhat diverse portfolio of about a dozen stocks will definitely be a full-time job.

My real question for you is, why are you considering a completely new-to-you form of securities trading as a full-time hobby? If you're otherwise provided for, a million bucks can keep you busy for an awful long time doing something you know you enjoy.
 
Quote from OldTrader:

Lousy strategy. What you're doing is selling an option against your stock, thereby cutting off your potential, while leaving your downside open. You may make money on stock after stock, until the one stock comes along that takes it all back.

Take a look at some of the public option writing funds. Lousy returns.

OldTrader

Good advice. Covered call writing is often sold to newbies as a safe and conservative way to invest, but you get virtually all the downside and none of the upside.

My advice is to get the Natenberg book and read it a couple of times, then come back here and kick some ideas around. Don't waste your money on the $3500 seminars various gurus offer.
 

Quote from a529612:

Why not do short put (cash secured) and put that extra cash in a risk free bank account earning interest instead of holding the stock for nothing?

Quote from optgamvol:

Why should he do that and what does that archieve? He will end up with a much higher exposure to the downside than with stocks alone.

I am surprised no one challenged this statement.
 
I have been writing naked options for a while now and 15% is average. People will tell you things like, "why sell an option and limit your upside and have unlimited risk?" Don't listen to them. It is very consistent if you know what you are doing and are not greedy. You have to look at it as you are selling insurance not gambling.
 
I am trying to manage a bit over 1 M.

My suggestion is to take a seminar and educate yourself.

If you manage several millions on your own you better know what you are doing.

$ 3500 for a seminar is a pittance compared to the losses you might have in the market if you don't know what you are doing.

Personally I sell naked puts on stocks I would like to own.

This year, almost 3 months to go, I am up 15% and my approach was very conservative.

A capitalized account makes a huge difference when selling options.

Despite of all the bad hype option selling if done well and if done by managing risk is one of the most consistent strategies ever.

No one has found a way to stop the march of time !
 
Quote from crgarcia:

With some experience, you can even get 15% even without getting into options at all; swing trading index ETFs.

You can even get 15% IN ONE TRADE for example my last trade got me 13.99% (without broker commissions):

Buy .QQQAA (January 08 5 Calls) at $1.93 on 10/3/07.
Sell on 10/5/07 at $2.20.

But it takes time, you need to spot trends, buy dips; and stay in cash when there's no clear trend, and learn to early spot when the trend broke.

I NEVER write options. Buying slightly out of the money Calls with 70 or 100 days left gives about 10:1 leverage -enough for me-.
G'day, new to trading ,could you please tell me where you get your prices from for qqqaa 08' calls etc. Through broker or website Thanks
 
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