$19B fund uses technical analysis?

If I tell this I get all bashers from ET over me. Mathematical models are the way to go.
But there is not much useful info available on the internet. And as people are lazy they prefer charts and look for double bottoms, cup and handles or Elliot Wave patterns.
Why does one have to be lazy because they prefer the charts over a mathematical approach? If charting works for said person, then what's the problem? Are we trading to make money or to attain intellectual bragging rights?
 
Why does one have to be lazy because they prefer the charts over a mathematical approach? If charting works for said person, then what's the problem? Are we trading to make money or to attain intellectual bragging rights?
I think what he means is MOST CLASSICAL CHARTISTS aren't profitable. If you are...your're the exception. I do use charts.
 
Are we trading to make money or to attain intellectual bragging rights?

I was referring to the classical everywhere on the internet available garbage (for free).
Double bottoms, cup and handles or Elliot Wave patterns...
 
Why does one have to be lazy because they prefer the charts over a mathematical approach? If charting works for said person, then what's the problem? Are we trading to make money or to attain intellectual bragging rights?

Because looking at a chart to make a decision is subjective. When running a fund, you want subjectivity to be cut to a minimum or better yet, completely eliminated.
 
Because looking at a chart to make a decision is subjective. When running a fund, you want subjectivity to be cut to a minimum or better yet, completely eliminated.
All forms of analysis is subjective.
 
All forms of analysis is subjective.

Not quite. Algorithms are math and if unchanged they are objective. A chart trader on the other hand has emotions and we will pull the trigger on a pattern on a rainy monday but skip it on a sunny tuesday, he'll take on more risk where there is volatility in his personal life as well. People aren't particularly good at objective repetitive behavior.
 
Because looking at a chart to make a decision is subjective. When running a fund, you want subjectivity to be cut to a minimum or better yet, completely eliminated.
Subjectivity is not a question of tool but a question of mind.
If you work with graphs (with or without indicators), price, volume, order book, facts : they are what they are. Real. But your own analysis is subjectivity.
If you look at graphs or numbers, and just go with the flow : you are closer to objectivity, and at the end profitability. No emotion. You trade what you see. You win. You lose. This is routine. But at the end of the day, week, month, year ... you get more winners than losers.
Alas, we are not robots but humans, we usually want to "interpret" numbers or graphs in order to fit our desire : we "feel", "hope", "anticipate", "regret", "shall", "can't accept", etc.
Emotions are the roots of subjectivity, not graphs or any other tool by the way.

CM
 
Emotions are the roots of subjectivity, not graphs or any other tool by the way.
CM

I didn't say they were. Running data through code is always 100% objective, even the best human trader would be less than that.
 
So why many trading systems don t last more than 5 years? Except Renaissance technology, majority of quant trading firms lose money at the end. Why? Because they run historical data through a code. And trading is not about the past but about the present.

CM
 
You're opening a whole different topic. Do you have proof that discretionary(subjective) funds do better?
 
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