15 percent of people actually believe Obama is honest

I tried to keep my bias out of it.

so I campared Obama with Clinton and Carter.

I thought clinton was a liar... but there is no almost no comparison.
(we know know clintion was responsible for letting the chinese get important tech and we know he had a big part in the loss of glass steagall... but still not even close.

Bush, sucked and he probably sold us out.
If Bush really let bin laden go out of the mountains...
and If Bush really let billions flow to his buddies in Iraq
and if Bush had been able to get Harriet Miers on the court
and if Bush knew he was lying to get us into the Iraq war...
I would have to move Bush past Obama level.

But, I know Obama lied.
 
George Will - amazing analysis.

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On Thursday’s “Special Report” on the Fox News Channel, Washington Post columnist George Will reacted remarks from President Barack Obama earlier in the day, in which he touted ObamaCare before the White House press corps.

“On one thing, the president is quite right: The Democrats you ought to say the Affordable Care Act is what we are,” Will said. “Continent-wide imposed from Washington top-down reform that involves a tapestry of taxes, mandates and other coercions. Aside from that, his performance today had the four basic Obama rhetorical tropes. First you attack a straw man. Republicans said no one would sign up. Of course no Republican ever said any such thing. Then you declare the debate over. The debate on climate change is over, the debate on universal preschool is over, everyone be quiet. Gay marriage, everyone be quiet. Now this debate is supposedly over.”

“Then he says it’s working,” he continued. “It’s hard to know what that means because the ethanol program which subtracts from the public good in a variety of ways is working in the sense it's being implemented in the law. Sugar import quotas, the same thing, it’s working but is not good for everybody. And finally, there’s his standard there can be no honorable and intelligent disagreement with me. States that have not expanded Medicaid are doing it out of spite because of him, because he says it will not cost them a dime. It won't cost them a dime for three years. After that it will cost them a mountain of dimes. So it’s a basic tour de force of Obama rhetoric.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Tropes-of-Obamas-Affordable-Care-Act-Remarks
 
How many times have we seen this formula for the lie....

First beat the strawman
Then say the debate is over
Then say its working
Then say there is no honorable disagreement.
 
George Will is simply the best at diagnosing politics, its nice to see him on fox news where he actually gets a chance to tee off on liberals, as opposed to ABC, where he was too polite to speak over all the far left radicals like krugman who regularly appeared on Stephanopolous show.


jem said:
George Will - amazing analysis.

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On Thursday’s “Special Report” on the Fox News Channel, Washington Post columnist George Will reacted remarks from President Barack Obama earlier in the day, in which he touted ObamaCare before the White House press corps.

“On one thing, the president is quite right: The Democrats you ought to say the Affordable Care Act is what we are,” Will said. “Continent-wide imposed from Washington top-down reform that involves a tapestry of taxes, mandates and other coercions. Aside from that, his performance today had the four basic Obama rhetorical tropes. First you attack a straw man. Republicans said no one would sign up. Of course no Republican ever said any such thing. Then you declare the debate over. The debate on climate change is over, the debate on universal preschool is over, everyone be quiet. Gay marriage, everyone be quiet. Now this debate is supposedly over.”

“Then he says it’s working,” he continued. “It’s hard to know what that means because the ethanol program which subtracts from the public good in a variety of ways is working in the sense it's being implemented in the law. Sugar import quotas, the same thing, it’s working but is not good for everybody. And finally, there’s his standard there can be no honorable and intelligent disagreement with me. States that have not expanded Medicaid are doing it out of spite because of him, because he says it will not cost them a dime. It won't cost them a dime for three years. After that it will cost them a mountain of dimes. So it’s a basic tour de force of Obama rhetoric.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Tropes-of-Obamas-Affordable-Care-Act-Remarks
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ACA.....not a lie "You can keep your own insurance" He should have added "If it meets the criteria" An oversight , not a lie. Most could keep there insurance. The insurance companies also are responsible as they dropped people.

Benghazi....not a lie. A tragedy, incompetence at lower levels of the State dept but no lies.

IRS.........he did not a lie

and as an aside, the targeting was the correct thing to do. There was abuse of the "social welfare organization" category. The CU decision needed to be countered. Money is controlling too much politics.


Obama is not a liar.

Obama wants what is best for the US and is smart and honorable.

The vast majority of the citizenry are ignorant and stupid so the majority opinion is basically worth shit.
 
clinton blaming video... with Obama.

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2. regarding hca.... those are two very different ideas. so you concede he lied.

3. they were targeting conservative groups and pro Isreal groups... that is foulplay. We all know the money needs to be taken out of politics.
Having the DOJ and the IRS target conservative groups is Fascist.
saying there was not smidgen of corruption there is a bold big lie.


futurecurrents said:
ACA.....not a lie "You can keep your own insurance" He should have added "If it meets the criteria" An oversight , not a lie. Most could keep there insurance. The insurance companies also are responsible as they dropped people.

Benghazi....not a lie. A tragedy, incompetence at lower levels of the State dept but no lies.

IRS.........he did not a lie

and as an aside, the targeting was the correct thing to do. There was abuse of the "social welfare organization" category. The CU decision needed to be countered. Money is controlling too much politics.


Obama is not a liar.

Obama wants what is best for the US and is smart and honorable.

The vast majority of the citizenry are ignorant and stupid so the majority opinion is basically worth shit.
More...
 
futurecurrents said:
ACA.....not a lie "You can keep your own insurance" He should have added "If it meets the criteria" An oversight , not a lie. Most could keep there insurance. The insurance companies also are responsible as they dropped people.

Benghazi....not a lie. A tragedy, incompetence at lower levels of the State dept but no lies.

IRS.........he did not a lie

and as an aside, the targeting was the correct thing to do. There was abuse of the "social welfare organization" category. The CU decision needed to be countered. Money is controlling too much politics.


Obama is not a liar.

Obama wants what is best for the US and is smart and honorable.
More...
Are you drunk or on drugs?

The vast majority of the citizenry are ignorant and stupid so the majority opinion is basically worth shit.
More...
You finally got one right. As in the majority that voted Odumbo into office.
 
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