14th Amendment Time -- It's long overdue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot

[Ricter]

Not to worry, the establishment is not going to let Trump go much further.

I believe we agree there, if you think like I do, that the establishment is basically our oligarchs.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Not to worry, the establishment is not going to let Trump go much further. They'll take him out one way or another.

Why didn’t “they” do it to the first time?

 

[Ricter]

Why didn’t “they” do it to the first time?

My guess is that he's a great divider (on cultural issues, but it doesn't really matter what) of the working class, so he's useful for ruling.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Why didn’t “they” do it to the first time?

Because "they" completely misread the political tealeaves. The establishment was shocked to their core in 2016. While very powerful, they're not infallible. Arrogance is their Achilles heal. Unlikely they'll make the same mistake again. It's all about timing. The fly in the ointment is whether or not to arrange an accident for Trump, or does a slip and fall for president dementia do the trick? Can a late arrival beat Trump? Can anyone beat Trump if they can't remove him from the picture? Less fallout to deal with just conceding 2024, but like I wrote earlier, the progressive left is impatient and 2028 is light years away in the political word. So many decisions, and the clock is ticking. We do live in interesting times.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Because "they" completely misread the political tealeaves. The establishment was shocked to their core in 2016. While very powerful, they're not infallible. Arrogance is their Achilles heal. Unlikely they'll make the same mistake again. It's all about timing. The fly in the ointment is whether or not to arrange an accident for Trump, or does a slip and fall for president dementia do the trick? Can a late arrival beat Trump? Can anyone beat Trump if they can't remove him from the picture? Less fallout to deal with just conceding 2024, but like I wrote earlier, the progressive left is impatient and 2028 is light years away in the political word. So many decisions, and the clock is ticking. We do live in interesting times.

I think you might be a just a tad conspiracy-minded.

 

[piezoe]

We can't in one hand claim the constitution is an ever evolving document (2nd, 14th, 19th, etc...) and not realize that there's imperfect provisions in it. When that section was penned, conviction could've been implied despite the clear reading of the text.

I fully agree with all of this. In this case we have some historical context, and we know from history that those living at the time the 14th was adopted interpreted it to mean what's written. "Engaged in" was apparently all that was necessary in their minds. I read about this somewhere recently but I can't recall where. Nevertheless it is reasonable to assume that there must be some criteria on which to base whether or not someone "engaged in". The U.S. Congress spent a very large amount of both time and money on one of the most thorough investigations in our history, and the Colorado lower court held a one week trial in which evidence for and against Trump's" engagement was decided. Colorado's Supreme Court used both these findings in making its decision. We can't therefore reasonably conclude that the Colorado High Court's decision was in anyway arbitrary or politically motivated. They went where the established facts took them.

Had only our Supreme Court done the same, they'd have upheld the Colorado decision. Then there would have been perfect consistency, and the only chaos would have been within the Party of Trump.

It is so nice to have ET colleagues, such as yourself, who do think independently, who do apply logic, and who do challenge what needs to be challenged. I may not always agree with you. When I don't, I could very well be wrong. Regardless, and in contrast to a few of our ET colleagues, you make good arguments based on logic. I very much appreciate that.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

I fully agree with all of this. In this case we have some historical context and we know from history that those living at the time the 14th was adopted interpreted it to mean exactly what is written. "Engaged in" is all that was necessary in their minds. I read about this somewhere recently but I can't recall where.

It is so nice to have ET colleagues, such as yourself who do think independently, who do apply logic, and who do challenge what needs to be challenged.

You were defeated soundly in this matter. It's time to move on.

 

[vanzandt]

WOEFULLY STATED AND CONTRIVED!!

 

[Ricter]

You were defeated soundly in this matter. It's time to move on.

Like Biden beating your guy. Have you moved on?

 

[Tony Stark]

Because "they" completely misread the political tealeaves. The establishment was shocked to their core in 2016. While very powerful, they're not infallible. Arrogance is their Achilles heal. Unlikely they'll make the same mistake again. It's all about timing. The fly in the ointment is whether or not to arrange an accident for Trump, or does a slip and fall for president dementia do the trick? Can a late arrival beat Trump? Can anyone beat Trump if they can't remove him from the picture? Less fallout to deal with just conceding 2024, but like I wrote earlier, the progressive left is impatient and 2028 is light years away in the political word. So many decisions, and the clock is ticking. We do live in interesting times.

I hope you're right.The Republican will win in November and I hope its someone other than Trump but the guy seems unstoppable.

An energized democrat party/voters is the only thing that can beat him but The Dem Party will be at its weakest point ever for the 24 election.Biden has lost so many Dem voters the party may never recover.