14th Amendment Time -- It's long overdue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot

unfortunately for your argument , the 14th amendment says nothing about being "charged with insurrection." What it says, in plain everyday English, is that anyone who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and subsequently "engaged in insurrection" against [the Constitution of the United States] is disqualified from holding Public office unless the Congress by two-thirds vote allows the disqualified candidate to run. In other words the insurrectionist candidate is automatically disqualified unless the Congress acts specifically to remove the disability.

It's pretty clear!

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
There is hardly any part of our U.S. Constitution that is more clear than section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The obvious purpose of the Amendment is to safeguard the Republic against a tyrant who, given the opportunity, would seize power unto themselves and take over the government.

The Court has put the States in a difficult position. They must either obey the Court or obey the Constitution. In an ideal world, the States might ignore the Court's decision, which has the appearance of being motivated by ideology and emotion, and instead obey the Highest Law of the Land.

We can't in one hand claim the constitution is an ever evolving document (2nd, 14th, 19th, etc...) and not realize that there's imperfect provisions in it. When that section was penned, conviction could've been implied despite the clear reading of the text. The absolute bullshit was the 2nd opinion by the conservative majority, that insurrection can only be ruled on by congress (see my post 207)....that was a clear political decision.

In the fwiw department, an economist friend of mine suggested two things this morning:

1) that some of the former Soviet satellite states may be so distraught at the prospect of Donald Trump becoming President again that they might plot to assassinate him;

2) that the Court may have been influenced by a concerned that a decision unfavorable to Trump might endanger their lives.

On 1, Trump did hold Ukraine hostage over defensive aid....but no I very much doubt it comes to that.

on 2, there's certainly stochastic terrorism and we've got congress people on record saying they voted w/Trump over fear for their/family's safety but I don't disagree w/the lib siding unanimously due to supremacy clause. The 2nd majority decision was straight up bull though.
 
Step away from the remote Bob, we're going to change the channel. No more MSNBC for the day. Breathe Bob, deep breaths, breeeeeathe.
With History as a guide, we have to take this shit seriously. Trump is saying plain as day what he wants to do, and if he gets enough buy-in he'll do it. Any good reason we shouldn't take preventative action?
 
Step away from the remote Bob, we're going to change the channel. No more MSNBC for the day. Breathe Bob, deep breaths, breeeeeathe.
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Deep breaths, Bob.
 
I'm voting for democracy because Biden, despite his many faults, will not "be a dictator for one day", nor will he try to implement Project 2025. I'm also voting for Biden because there is no suitable environmental candidate running.
Project 2025, I had to Google it. This is what has you upset? Com'on man, I know you're not that gullible. Really, I'm serious, that's loon stuff and while we may disagree on some things,I don't put you in that category. You can vote for Biden and I have no issue with you or anyone being free to make that choice, but because you're fearful of Trump being a dictator and Project 2025? Dude, relax.
 
Project 2025, I had to Google it. This is what has you upset? Com'on man, I know you're not that gullible. Really, I'm serious, that's loon stuff and while we may disagree on some things,I don't put you in that category. You can vote for Biden and I have no issue with you or anyone being free to make that choice, but because you're fearful of Trump being a dictator and Project 2025? Dude, relax.
Cap'n, it sounds to me like you're in the "can't happen here" camp.

Edit: "upset" is a strong word. Wary is the correct one in my case.
 
Project 2025, I had to Google it. This is what has you upset? Com'on man, I know you're not that gullible. Really, I'm serious, that's loon stuff and while we may disagree on some things,I don't put you in that category. You can vote for Biden and I have no issue with you or anyone being free to make that choice, but because you're fearful of Trump being a dictator and Project 2025? Dude, relax.


"Project 2025" is the Christian Nationalist's "Mein Kampf".

Project 2025 is more than a playbook for Trumpism, it’s the Christian Nationalist manifesto
The right intends to force every American to live their definition of a good life through government edict
https://www.salon.com/2024/03/01/pr...pism-its-the-christian-nationalist-manifesto/
 
Cap'n, it sounds to me like you're in the "can't happen here" camp.

Edit: "upset" is a strong word. Wary is the correct one in my case.
We can settle on your concern is greater than mine. IMO there are worse things than a Trump presidency in our future if we don't get our collective heads out of our asses on a myriad of subjects.
Not to worry, the establishment is not going to let Trump go much further. They'll take him out one way or another. That'll have consequences too, but they'll manage them with a bit of the authoritarian boot and at the end of the day the scary white people got jobs to show up at and bills to pay. They won't stay out in the street very long.
I keep telling you progressives, be patient, you're winning. You'll have your way soon enough. Falls into the be careful what you wish for, but it is obvious the social norms are still leaning left to hard left. Trump was not/is not a reversal of that trend, just a pullback.
 
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