14th Amendment Time -- It's long overdue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot

[smallfil]

Section 5 says that Congreff has the authority to execute Section 3. Colorado judges cannot invoke Section 3.

The Colorado judges need to be disbarred for abuse of their powers. They act like they are above the law.

 

[wildchild]

Ah ha hah hah ha. If the supreme Court doesn't understand, why would I expect you to? I wouldn't.

For others here, the point is, and this flies right over the heads of lawyers and courts, the Constitution of the United States is as clear on this point as it can possibly be. You can't hold Federal Office if you took an oath to support or protect and defend (defend = support) the Constitution and then subsequently engaged in, or aided or abetted an insurrection. Colorado must disqualify Trump from appearing on Colorado's ballots or else Colorado will violate Constitutional law, which all States must follow! No one has any recourse against Colorado if they exclude Trump from their Ballots, Colorado must do this or be in violation of Constitutional law --- the highest law in the land.

How can the President of the United States lead a insurrection against his own government? It makes no sense.

Piezoe has a long history of making ridiculous claims, then presenting no evidence.

 

[piezoe]

Section 5 says that Congreff has the authority to execute Section 3. Colorado judges cannot invoke Section 3.

NO, that's NOT what it says. Read it again, please.

section 5:
"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article"​

This say's congress has the power to enforce, if need be, the Article. I does NOT say "Congress 'shall enforce'...." It says,
Congress 'shall have the power to enforce...' But it does not require Congress to step in if the Article is already being enforced, as it must be if the Constitution is to be obeyed.

Section 3 is clearly self-executing. However if it is not executed as intended, then Congress is given the option of enforcement. This does not mean that only Congress can enforce it. And the Amendment does NOT say that.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Statutes, particularly Constitutional statutes, are to be obeyed. The 14th Amendment provides a rare example of a remedy being provided for the instance where a statute is not automatically obeyed.

 

[piezoe]

How can the President of the United States lead a insurrection against his own government?...

You were given a perfect example of how on Jan 6th 2021.

 

[vanzandt]

NO, that's NOT what it says. Read it again, please.

section 5:
"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article"​

This say's congress has the power to enforce, if need be, the Article. I does NOT say "Congress 'shall enforce'...." It says,
Congress 'shall have the power to enforce...' But it does not require Congress to step in if the Article is already being enforced, as it must be if the Constitution is to be obeyed.

Section 3 is clearly self-executing. However if it is not executed as intended, then Congress is given the option of enforcement. This does not mean that only Congress can enforce it. And the Amendment does NOT say that.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Statutes, particularly Constitutional statutes, are to be obeyed. The 14th Amendment provides a rare example of a remedy being provided for the instance where a statute is not automatically obeyed.

Section 5 says that Congreff has the authority to execute Section 3. Colorado judges cannot invoke Section 3.

You're not going to like this B1, but as I read it... he's right. If you interpret it literally at least. They made no allowances restricting the power of lower authorities. Unless there's more to it than what's been presented here.

 

[piezoe]

Thank you so much for posting this. The Constitution is so incredibly clear, and yet we have this shit show despite its clarity . I wish we were both on the Supreme court. We would put an end to this absurdity.

 

[Cuddles]

Thank you so much for posting this. The Constitution is so incredibly clear, and yet we have this shit show despite its clarity . I wish we were both on the Supreme court. We would put an end to this absurdity.

I was ready to say: "What am I over here, chopped liver?"

I agree. That would be a big mistake of course. It seems I am the only one here and, by logical extension, must be one of the few beyond the Colorado Supreme Court that can read what's written without reading something that is not there. Section three of our 14th Amendment could not be more clear or straight forward, and it make perfect sense from a logical standpoint; yet it appears that no one except myself can read and understand its plain, clear requirement that anyone aspiring to public office must meet.

I'm curious to hear from Ocho on the opinions, him being a lawyer and having the wrong take on this since I'm familiar w/his position. Maybe counter Mystal's arguments.

 

[El OchoCinco]

I was ready to say: "What am I over here, chopped liver?"



I'm curious to hear from Ocho on the opinions, him being a lawyer and having the wrong take on this since I'm familiar w/his position. Maybe counter Mystal's arguments.

Please pray tell show me where I was wrong citing some precedent

Where was my supposed wrong take... Colorado.does not have the power to remove a presidential candidate from the ballot by making their own interpretation of the Constitution....

Congress took it upon themselves to codify insurrection as a federal crime and thus stepped up. Imagine if we could all define what is and what isnt insurrection for purposes of removing people with no due process.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Ah ha hah hah ha. If the supreme Court doesn't understand, why would I expect you to? I wouldn't.

For others here, the point is, and this flies right over the heads of lawyers and courts, the Constitution of the United States is as clear on this point as it can possibly be. You can't hold Federal Office if you took an oath to support or protect and defend (defend = support) the Constitution and then subsequently engaged in, or aided or abetted an insurrection. Colorado must disqualify Trump from appearing on Colorado's ballots or else Colorado will violate Constitutional law, which all States must follow! No one has any recourse against Colorado if they exclude Trump from their Ballots, Colorado must do this or be in violation of Constitutional law --- the highest law in the land.

So Colorado MUST remove trump or violate the constitution?? wow that is a convenient argument...

 

[wildchild]

You were given a perfect example of how on Jan 6th 2021.

All talk, no action. You lied about the Muller report. Why dont yoou go search for some Russian disinformation, you conspiracy theorist.