14,000 mostly-elite white Britons reverted to Islam?

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Where's yours? Nazis were just as Christian as Bin Laden is Buddhist. Paganism was one of the roots of the Nazi doctrine, that's pretty well known by any historian worth his salt.

What makes Christianity fundamentally different from Islam, is not how people interpreted and applied them, but what is written in their source.

Try to tell me that the Gospels and the Qur'an are similar in their message.



Since you are willing to ascribe every single invention under the sun to the oh-so-wise Muslims, I'll have to cut you off lest some you succeed in brainwashing gullible sheep into believing you.

Arabic numerals?
Cross that one out.
The only reason they're called Arabic, is because the Europeans first were introduced to them by Arabs.
The "Arabic" numerals were invented by the Hindus, and adopted by the Arabs.
That is a well-known fact, btw. But you didn't know it.

Double entry book-keeping?

Yet another "invention" that the Muslims try so hard to portray as a fruit of their civilization. There is NO evidence whatsoever that accounting as we know it today was ever used by the Muslims. NONE.

However, there is irrefutable proof that Pachioli invented, and put into writing, the modern principles of the double-entry bookkeeping system that we use today.

So there go your brilliant "Muslim inventions" down the toilet back into your fertile Muslim netherworld of timeless Muslims "inventions".

I am not even touching upon the fact that Arabs built and maintained one of the finest libraries of Classical works of Greece and Rome in their time, while that is certainly commendable, it also shows how much scientific knowledge they adopted, rather than invented.

Muslims certainly had their inventors, but your era of invention was short-lasted, and was over as soon as the Muslim doctrine became more settled, and started curbing the intellectual freedom of its followers. That is about 5-6 centuries after Islam's invention, and it's still in effect today, as is showcased by the utter backwardness of 100% of Muslim nations today.
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1. So what? The point is Europe fell into the Dark Ages, and had no use for Arabic numerals. They had no use for it because they had fallen into a rut so deep that Charlemagne's revision of the currency left out gold entirely: it wasn't needed, because transactions simply weren't large enough to require it as a means of settlement.
2 - Nope. Double entry bookkeeping did indeed come out of Muslim business practice. Italy adopted a lot of things out of the Muslim world, because it was the first to have contact with them as they were the first to emerge out of the Dark Ages.

By the way, I'm not Muslim, so "your era of invention" doesn't apply. Ain't mine.
I'm merely attempting to point out to the antisocial trailer park inhabitants who infest this place that there is a world beyond the inadequately drained swamps they inhabit.
 
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Christianity is no more responsible for the Holocaust that Sara Palin is for the shootings in Arizona. I thought you libturds had bottomed with that but you continue to exceed my expectations.
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Really? So all those Poles and Germans and Ukrainians and Croatians and Romanians and Russians, good Christians all, who collaborated with the Nazis and made the Holocaust possible were actually, like, pagans or something?
I can assure you the Jews of that time who didn't think the Christians were coming after them didn't survive to tell anyone it was really all a bunch of pagan folderol.
Neither did any deluded gypsies, assuming there were any.
 
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Really? So all those Poles and Germans and Ukrainians and Croatians and Romanians and Russians, good Christians all, who collaborated with the Nazis and made the Holocaust possible were actually, like, pagans or something?
I can assure you the Jews of that time who didn't think the Christians were coming after them didn't survive to tell anyone it was really all a bunch of pagan folderol.
Neither did any deluded gypsies, assuming there were any.
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Trying to tie Christians to the Holocost is rediculous. Don't make a connection where none exits.

"There is no question that Hitler was a Nazi. Nazism was clearly his most important religious affiliation, not in the positive way the word "religion" is often defined, but in the general sense that any philosophy or belief system which is most important in a person's life is that person's "religion," regardless of whether or not it is universally labelled as a "religion." Hitler was also born into a Catholic family, but he rejected Catholicism and in most ways he rejected Christianity in general. On occasion we have read people claim that "Hitler was a Catholic" or "Hitler was a Christian" in a meaningful way, implying that Christianity or Catholicism was the primary impetus for his Nazi reign. Such claims are simply vitriolic attacks occasionally voiced by ideologically-inclined anti-Christian, anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi people. Historians agree that Hitler was pointedly anti-Christian. We are not aware of any published sources from acknowledged academic historians or writers that identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult. If anybody writes to us to point out such resources, we will be happy to cite them and refer to them here."

http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html
 
Quote from pspr:

Trying to tie Christians to the Holocost is rediculous. Don't make a connection where none exits.

"There is no question that Hitler was a Nazi. Nazism was clearly his most important religious affiliation, not in the positive way the word "religion" is often defined, but in the general sense that any philosophy or belief system which is most important in a person's life is that person's "religion," regardless of whether or not it is universally labelled as a "religion." Hitler was also born into a Catholic family, but he rejected Catholicism and in most ways he rejected Christianity in general. On occasion we have read people claim that "Hitler was a Catholic" or "Hitler was a Christian" in a meaningful way, implying that Christianity or Catholicism was the primary impetus for his Nazi reign. Such claims are simply vitriolic attacks occasionally voiced by ideologically-inclined anti-Christian, anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi people. Historians agree that Hitler was pointedly anti-Christian. We are not aware of any published sources from acknowledged academic historians or writers that identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult. If anybody writes to us to point out such resources, we will be happy to cite them and refer to them here."

http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html
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Hitler was an occultist. He used Christianity as a front for political purposes. I can't understand where trefoil comes up with some of his ideas.
 
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Hitler was an occultist. He used Christianity as a front for political purposes. I can't understand where trefoil comes up with some of his ideas.
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The mass of the people who followed him were Christians. They were extremely enthusiastic, as evidenced by the fact very few Jews are left in Europe.
Or are you and Trader666 going to start telling me Europe is inhabited by occultists and pagans?
 
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The mass of the people who followed him were Christians. They were extremely enthusiastic, as evidenced by the fact very few Jews are left in Europe.
Or are you and Trader666 going to start telling me Europe is inhabited by occultists and pagans?
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I don't know about Trader666, but Hitler used Von Papen to aid in his propaganda campaigns. You are correct though, as far as I know, the only Christians in the camps were found among the Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, and political dissidents.
 
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Trying to tie Christians to the Holocost is rediculous. Don't make a connection where none exits.
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Hitler was a Christian. Christianity, Catholisicm certainly, is occult if nothing else. It's riddled with mythology and mysticysm and claims of extraordinary powers. No wonder people like Hitler would be inspired and connected to such ideas, believe in them, and use them to assume justification for any act, atrocious and not through that proclaimed greater power than mankind's own standard of morality.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
He never abandoned the Christian Catholic Church and the Christian Catholic Church never abandoned him.
Neither was Mien Kampf ever in the Catholic's list of Forbidden Books.

People do good or evil despite or because of religion. Religion is not the root of what morality is or should be.
 
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