116 House members say Obama needs congressional approval for Syrian war.

[Max E.]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

Bush didn't need it, just like Obama doesn't either.

Once again, not sure how you can bring this back to bush, Bush got approval for both of his shit wars. Obama keeps thumbing his nose at the law when he doesnt have to, there is more than enough war mongering republicans, and war mongering democrats in the house to get this passed, so why does he by pass congress?

Its to provide cover for democrats who would vote on his war in a second if forced too, who want to continue the fassad that they are anti war.

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from Max E. Pad:

Once again, not sure how you can bring this back to bush, Bush got approval for both of his shit wars.

lol Maxi.

Oh yea, I've brought things back to Bush , How many times now?

I know Bush got his approval. I just pointed out he didn't need it. Just like Obama don't, and you know it, so Why do you continue insinuating he is thumbing his nose at the law if he decides to bypass congress?

There is no law saying he needs it.

Are you ignorant of this, or is this an attempt to plant false facts (such as Obama is ignoring, or thumbing his nose at the law) into the minds of the ignorant?

Quote from Max E. Pad:

Obama keeps thumbing his nose at the law when he doesnt have to, there is more than enough war mongering republicans, and war mongering democrats in the house to get this passed, so why does he by pass congress?

He just doesn't need congressional approval.

No matter how much the right bitches and moans about him not getting a permission slip, it won't change the law.

The law has been set for quite a while, and it allows him to move if he feels it's necessary to protect Americans from immediate future threats.

Let me tell you something you may be too naive to realize- If a president weren't allowed to move without congressional approval, this country would be in grave danger.

The great U.S.A may have already fallen by now, were this key law not in affect.

American adversaries would have exploited such a weakness in our armor long ago.

Quote from Max E. Pad:

Its to provide cover for democrats who would vote on his war in a second if forced too, who want to continue the fassad that they are anti war.

This is interesting, and obviously something the right will chomp down on, but the view is quite cynical.


Is it so hard to imagine that perhaps the reason he is avoiding congressional approval is because he doesn't feel it's necessary to put the blood of Syrians on the hands of the congress?


On you?


Is it beyond the right's capacity to entertain a noble thought?

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Hoofhearted:




This is interesting, and obviously something the right will chomp down on, but the view is quite cynical.


Is it so hard to imagine that perhaps the reason he is avoiding congressional approval is because he doesn't feel it's necessary to put the blood of Syrians on the hands of the congress?


On you?


Is it beyond the right to entertain a noble thought?

Obama has proven he is not a noble human being a long time ago, and he is only going further to prove it by thumbing his nose at the law, forgive me for not believing he is once again thumbing his nose at the law for the good of human kind.

There are more than enough neocons in congress who would be proud to vote for this, that it has nothign to do with saving that side from taking a vote. It only has to do with saving chicken hawk democrats who are unwilling to admit they support war from taking a vote.

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Hoofhearted:



No matter how much the right bitches and moans about him not getting a permission slip, it won't change the law.

The law has been set for quite a while, and it allows him to move if he feels it's necessary to protect Americans from immediate future threats.

Let me tell you something you're obviously too naive to realize- If a president weren't allowed to move without congressional approval, this country would be in grave danger.

The great U.S.A may have already fallen by now, were this key law not in affect.

American adversaries would have exploited such a weakness in our armor long ago.

This is just a bunch more bullshit from you, the war powers act specifically states the president is allowed to act alone if, and only if there is a national emergency created by an attack on the united states.

So please tell me how syria has created a national emergency vis-a -vi an attack on the u.s.

How does syria pose a direct threat to the u.s.?

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

 

[Max E.]

Straight from the horses <s>mouth</s> ass.

"The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation"

Barack Obama 2007 while runnning for office.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from Max E. Pad:


How does syria pose a direct threat to the u.s.?
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I reckon in the same manner Iraq did.

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

I reckon in the same manner Iraq did.

Bush got vote of congress, quit going in circles, how is obama allowed to attack syria without congressional aspproval under the war powers act?

here is the war powers act, so you can read it one more time, then tell me how he is able to send armed forces abroad when the us is not under attack, without congressional approval.

this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

Which one of the united states territories, possession, or armed forces are currently under attack by syria?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Ricter:

Ahh, but as Piggybank pointed out, if Obama can define the situation as a credible threat to the US, as Bush did for Iraq, then Obama doesn't need to get congressional approval.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just enjoying the use of your team's arguments.

Interview in 2007 with Charlie Savage:

Q. In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites — a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

- Interview with Charlie Savage, December 20, 2007 (full text here)

And then, there is always this hilarious video - which I highly encourage you to watch.

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[jem]

don't leftist ever get tired of getting smacked down on their leftist talking points. Just about every important issue from taxes to the war powers act to Bush getting approval to the failure of global warming models.
Its like they just believe and then say whatever the big govt lefties want them to believe without ever checking the facts or thinking.

 

[Max E.]

You have to appreciate the audacity of chris matthews to wax nostalgic about the "good old days" where democrats supposedly supported the constitution, while both he and team obama shit all over it.

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