1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from TraDaToR:

A really interesting artcile for those who speak french:
http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-...onsequences-pour-la-place-de-paris-286627.php

French brokers were worried that France would choose the nationality of the brokerage as the criteria to be taxed. It would have triggered mass relocation of brokers. Since the criteria is the "nationality" of the instrument, they can continue their activity especially on untaxed instruments abroad( Think Newedge...).

HFTs are already planning their headquarters move and lawyers are busy. They are also inventing new instruments like CFDs to replicate french stocks exposure.

The costs for France to put a stamp duty like system to collect the tax are expected to be tremendous.

Please kill the french market.

Can someone give us a nice primer on day trading CFD? That's how UK-based traders avoid stamp duty which applies to stock. I guess the CFD makers in the UK will export their ideas to Paris now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_for_difference

http://www.contracts-for-difference.com/markets/cfd-markets.html

Even if labeled derivatives in France, the derivative's FTT rate is a small fraction of stock.

What's the status or prospects for CFD in the U.S., too?
 
Quote from tomdavis:

I thought the letter from the 9 countries were the ones that were willing to use "enhanced cooperation" to introduce the FTT. Perhaps I was reading too much into it. Anyway, I'm happy that Finland is against the FTT. I hope the Netherlands officially comes out against it, too.

I am guessing they are over counting their 9 votes, the minimum needed for enhanced cooperation in the EU for new EU-related tax policy. France knows it is off-base by going solo, and Sarkozy justifies it as lighting a match for the minimum 9 needed. but, he is really doing it to save his own reelection.

Don't count in Finland and I think some of the other 9 aren't rock solid either. They are still bluffing and claiming political strength, but it's a French mirage.
 
Quote from Robert A. Green:

Can someone give us a nice primer on day trading CFD? That's how UK-based traders avoid stamp duty which applies to stock. I guess the CFD makers in the UK will export their ideas to Paris now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_for_difference

http://www.contracts-for-difference.com/markets/cfd-markets.html

Even if labeled derivatives in France, the derivative's FTT rate is a small fraction of stock.

What's the status or prospects for CFD in the U.S., too?

A lot of french traders are already trading CFDs. A lot of french brokers are proposing it. The problem is most of them are like forex bucket shops, you can only click on the bid or ask and trade with the house. So they need to do better than that...
 
Quote from sheda:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ng-the-financial-transactions-tax-debate.html

Big news paper in the UK ~ total misinformation.

Semeta says:

"But I greatly regret that the Commission's own figures have been systematically misrepresented by opponents. It is simply not true that our impact assessment predicts that the FTT will cost 1.76pc of GDP or hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Our proposal itself categorically rejects the option calculated to have that effect. The FTT in the form we are proposing it will not damage European competitiveness. It will not destroy jobs. "

Well, he supposedly repudiates the findings of the EC Impact Assessment (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/other_taxes/financial_sector/index_en.htm - see part 16 especially, page 34 onwards), but does not provide a new or revised study to show the wonderful effects of the current proposal.

If you cannot be bothered to go through the massive pile, wikipedia has a summary of the impact here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_financial_transaction_tax
 
Quote from TraDaToR:

A lot of french traders are already trading CFDs. A lot of french brokers are proposing it. The problem is most of them are like forex bucket shops, you can only click on the bid or ask and trade with the house. So they need to do better than that...

" So they need to do better than that"
why? it is like a crocodile that eats people. it is their nature.

did the specialist on the nyse ever give the retail trader a break? he was always looking to get exempted from rules i.e. short sale rules that john q. public was subjected to.
in France proposed FTT exempts market makers.
Goldman and the banks/brokers are rarely.on your team. that is the bottom line.
 
Quote from zdreg:

" So they need to do better than that"
why? it is like a crocodile that eats people. it is their nature.

did the specialist on the nyse ever give the retail trader a break? he was always looking to get exempted from rules i.e. short sale rules that john q. public was subjected to.
in France proposed FTT exempts market makers.
Goldman and the banks/brokers are rarely.on your team. that is the bottom line.

If they don't do better than that, someone in London or Zurich or anywhere else will do better than that, and take that business from them.
 
Quote from justrading:

Semeta says:

"But I greatly regret that the Commission's own figures have been systematically misrepresented by opponents. It is simply not true that our impact assessment predicts that the FTT will cost 1.76pc of GDP or hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Our proposal itself categorically rejects the option calculated to have that effect. The FTT in the form we are proposing it will not damage European competitiveness. It will not destroy jobs. "

Well, he supposedly repudiates the findings of the EC Impact Assessment (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/other_taxes/financial_sector/index_en.htm - see part 16 especially, page 34 onwards), but does not provide a new or revised study to show the wonderful effects of the current proposal.

If you cannot be bothered to go through the massive pile, wikipedia has a summary of the impact here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_financial_transaction_tax

This is unreal. So this idiot is saying that the numbers that are clearly stated in the EC impact assessment are just plain wrong? These socialists are just pathetic. I can't wait to see the 'new' studies with the newly fudged numbers...

-Guru
 
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