1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today


"Mr Harding believes an FTT would impact banks and exchanges hardest, but was unlikely to have a disproportionate impact on hedge funds, even Winton."

I find it hard to believe that this guy things an ftt would impact banks (LOL). He of all people should know that an ftt would have virtually zero impact on banks as they wouldn't pay any ftt tax.

I do agree with him that the exchanges would be impacted hardest but why does he fail to mention the ftt's impact on the common investor? Probably just another Socialist in disguise who's made his millions (billions) from finance (ala Soro's) and now wants to retire (LOL).

-Guru
 
Quote from trendy:

Largest quant, hedge fund gives conditional approval to FTT.

The article appears in ft.com. Unless you are a subscriber, google "hedge fund chief backs ftt"

What is the average trade holding time for his fund?

My guess he is not a very short term trader or a day trader.

So he will be happy to see shorter term traders eliminated, as it will increase his profits.

Same goes for Soros and Buffet.


Having just written that i went to the Winton website:

"HIGH FREQUENCY TRADING DEVELOPER – OXFORD
We seek an exceptionally talented programmer to join our high frequency trading team in Oxford."


So at least some of his hedge fund strategies will be killed off by the FTT???
 
Quote from southall:

What is the average trade holding time for his fund?

My guess he is not a very short term trader or a day trader.

So he will be happy to see shorter term traders eliminated, as it will increase his profits.

Same goes for Soros and Buffet.


Having just written that i went to the Winton website:

"HIGH FREQUENCY TRADING DEVELOPER – OXFORD
We seek an exceptionally talented programmer to join our high frequency trading team in Oxford."


So at least some of his hedge fund strategies will be killed off by the FTT???

Maybe their thinking is that they either manage to get an exemption or - more likely - will migrate their business, at least officially, to an offshore location so that they will not have to pay the FTT. All this while profiting from increased volatility in the markets, caused by the FTT.
 
Osborne raises bank levy, rejects FTT:

http://www.gfsnews.com/article/3726...6c60ea0a2329/9b7ed3e8cc55984c0d387c82cd998335

The UK chancellor has reiterated his opposition to an EU-wide financial transaction tax, instead choosing to raise Britain's permanent bank levy to 0.088 per cent.

In his autumn statement on Tuesday, George Osborne said: "It is this government's policy to ensure that we remain the home of global banks, that London is the world's pre-eminent financial centre.

"That is why we will not agree to the introduction of an EU financial transaction tax....
 
As we continue in financial-meltdown mode globally, and with populist anger growing high pitched against banks and bankers again, it’s becoming politically-required to insist on taking a pound of flesh from banks to pay for bailouts and fixing the debt crisis.

So, political talk must continue on banks having to pay some kind of tax or levy. The U.S. and UK want bank levies or FAT (financial-activities tax), but for sure they don’t want an FTT. FTT chases transactions away from NYC, Chicago and London, which are the leading money centers of the West. These money centers stand the most to lose with an FTT. It’s harder to move balance sheets and bankers to avoid FAT in the UK, or a balance-sheet liabilities levy in the U.S.

France and Germany are just fine with transactions leaving NYC, Chicago and London to avoid FTT, and they like that FTT also goes beyond banks to kill off HFT, and limit trading by funds and other speculators. FAT and the levy are more targeted and they don’t kill off speculation. France and Germany want to punish the short-sellers, to weaken their competition in the market. France and Germany are trying to buttress bonds with bailouts, while short-sellers try to decimate them further.

First and foremost now, Germany needs to quickly construct a simulated EU fiscal union, with budget controls, spending oversight and enforcement – better than the same controls that failed last time around. To get this sovereignty-killing plan in place, Germany needs the UK, Sweden and other anti-FTT, non-euro zone, EU-players to support them. Hopefully, this agreement includes a backroom deal to kill off FTT in exchange. FTT has no chance of passage EU-wide, and little chance EZ-wide, so why not scrap it for the fiscal-union support?

Is Germany using FTT to shake down the UK and Sweden into more support of their EZ? FTT makes little sense economically, or even on how to share the tax revenues if passed – they were never clear about that – so FTT seems to be more of a shake-down stick than a realistic tax plan.

It is disturbing to see some fund managers in the UK slightly supporting FTT now. What’s up with that? Are they caving into fear of being outlawed as traders, which is an even worse outcome?
 
I agree that the EU-27 FTT appears unlikely since the UK, Sweden, the Czech Republic and others have taken a strong stand against it.

However, an EZ-17 FTT is still within reach. The opposition consists of Malta, Cyprus, Ireland, Italy (sort of), the Netherlands (on occassion) and the new government of Spain. All of these countries, except the the Netherlands, are vulnerable to Merkel/ Barroso arm-twisting because they have weak economies and need ongoing EU/ECB support. The FTT has overhwelming popular support (70%) in the Netherlands which has softened the current goverment's opposition and will probably cause them to vote in favor if it comes to a vote.

It may all boil down down to Malta, the smallest country in the EU (pop 400k). The financial sector is the fastest growing segment of Malta's economy and is now over 12%. The FTT doesn' have strong public support in Malta that it has throughout out the rest of Europe, providing elected officials more leeway to stay the course.

As the EZ-17 FTT scenario plays out, Malta is the country to watch.


Quote from Robert A. Green:

As we continue in financial-meltdown mode globally, and with populist anger growing high pitched against banks and bankers again, it’s becoming politically-required to insist on taking a pound of flesh from banks to pay for bailouts and fixing the debt crisis.

So, political talk must continue on banks having to pay some kind of tax or levy. The U.S. and UK want bank levies or FAT (financial-activities tax), but for sure they don’t want an FTT. FTT chases transactions away from NYC, Chicago and London, which are the leading money centers of the West. These money centers stand the most to lose with an FTT. It’s harder to move balance sheets and bankers to avoid FAT in the UK, or a balance-sheet liabilities levy in the U.S.

France and Germany are just fine with transactions leaving NYC, Chicago and London to avoid FTT, and they like that FTT also goes beyond banks to kill off HFT, and limit trading by funds and other speculators. FAT and the levy are more targeted and they don’t kill off speculation. France and Germany want to punish the short-sellers, to weaken their competition in the market. France and Germany are trying to buttress bonds with bailouts, while short-sellers try to decimate them further.

First and foremost now, Germany needs to quickly construct a simulated EU fiscal union, with budget controls, spending oversight and enforcement – better than the same controls that failed last time around. To get this sovereignty-killing plan in place, Germany needs the UK, Sweden and other anti-FTT, non-euro zone, EU-players to support them. Hopefully, this agreement includes a backroom deal to kill off FTT in exchange. FTT has no chance of passage EU-wide, and little chance EZ-wide, so why not scrap it for the fiscal-union support?

Is Germany using FTT to shake down the UK and Sweden into more support of their EZ? FTT makes little sense economically, or even on how to share the tax revenues if passed – they were never clear about that – so FTT seems to be more of a shake-down stick than a realistic tax plan.

It is disturbing to see some fund managers in the UK slightly supporting FTT now. What’s up with that? Are they caving into fear of being outlawed as traders, which is an even worse outcome?
 
Philipp Rösler (FDP), the Vice Chancellor of Germany, is also against an Eurozone FTT. Hopefully he is strong enough to block the the plans of Merkel/Schäuble for an Eurozone FTT, if EU-wide seems not possible.

And luxembourg, while in favor of an EU-wide FTT, has also doubts if it become Eurozone only. Hopefully more EZ-country's will think this way.
 
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