1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Seasideheights, thanks for posting these.

Everyone here needs to contact their senators and congressional representatives as soon as possible to voice your opposition to these bills.

It's very simple. Each member of congress has a website. You can contact them via email, fax and phone.

Below is the email/fax that I'm sending. Feel free to copy, change or use in whatever way you think is best.

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Dear Senator (or Congressional Representative) [fill in name here],

I am writing to express my opposition to the Defazio-Harkin Financial Transaction Tax legislation that I believe would irreparably harm the American economy.

Financial Transaction Taxes (FTT) have destroyed jobs and been a net loss to the national treasury everywhere it’s been tried. Sweden’s FTT was repealed because it collected only 3% of the projected revenues and resulted in severe job losses after over 50% of their investment/trading industry left the country to avoid the tax. Today Sweden is one of the FTT’s strongest opponents. The “Impact Assessment Report” for the proposed European Union FTT showed that the FTT would reduce EU GDP, cost thousands of lost jobs, and reduce net tax revenues because the taxes collected from the FTT would be less than the income and capital gains taxes lost from the contraction of GDP and resulting job losses. Sweden, the UK, Malta, Ireland and the Czech Republic stand united against the proposed EU FTT.

Introducing the FTT into our economic system would cause thousands of American finance industry jobs to be “offshored” to Switzerland, Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, Russia, Singapore and other countries that have firmly rejected the FTT as destructive economic policy. Schwabish (2005) estimated in his study that the introduction of an FTT in the US “would cause the loss of 150,000-210,000 private-sector jobs in New York alone.” In addition, the FTT would destroy the livelihoods of thousands of independent traders like myself who support our families and collectively pay millions of dollars in local, state and federal taxes every year.

I look forward to hearing where you stand on this legislation.

Sincerely,


[Your name here]

P.S.: Supporters of the FTT often tout the success of the UK “stamp tax,” but fail to disclose that most UK banks and investment firms do not pay the tax. Over 70% of all London Exchange transactions pay no stamp tax, and 100% of all other transactions (e.g., trades on the CME or NYSE) are also exempt. Of all the transactions that originate in the UK, fewer than 3% are subject to the stamp tax. The UK stands firmly against the EU FTT because they know it would decimate London’s economy as investment firms relocate to Switzerland, Hong Kong and other non-FTT jurisdictions.






 
Quote from dwrowley:

As an active trader, I'm clearly against any form of FTT, but I'm surprised that people defending an FTT don't see the unintended consequences to the average person who has a 401k, etc:

- For every mutual fund they buy, presumably the fund managers will have to pay the FTT on every transaction they make to manage the fund. They'll of course have to pass those costs on to their retail customers as higher management fees - for actively managed funds, those fees could be considerable, dramatically reducing the returns.

- For every ETF a retail customer buys, the management fees of those would likely go up considerably. For example, think of what is involved in the SPY - having to buy/sell large numbers of shares of each of the S&P 500 components in order to rebalance so that they can accurately track the index. All of these rebalancing transactions would presumably incur the FTT - resulting in extremely large administration fees passed on to the retail customer (and likely making many of the ETFs no longer feasible or attractive). Imagine the rebalancing costs (equities, options, futures) in something like the leveraged index ETFs & funds...

I'm not quite sure why people don't universally see a FTT as both impractical to manage as well as an insanely bad idea...

D.

I've explained this to a lot of people as well, but I'm finding more and more of the people I know (some of whom are very well educated) really want this tax for some reason. They honestly believe it will solve wealth disparity, which doesn't make any sense. It's not as if government targeted attempts at reducing poverty over the last 50 years have done anything and those things have been a money pit. We have more poor people than ever, and this isn't some function of something like the Bush tax cuts or something like that. It probably has more to do with wage-arbitrage against places like China and high birth rates among unskilled populations.

What's more intriguing is who is pushing these sorts of taxes. There are web sites out there, advocacy groups, and grassroots operations focused around this one issue. I think the elites are definitely financing this because it has all the markers of a propaganda operation:

1) Demonizes a minority
2) Promises majority candy of some sort
3) Convinces majority that this is good for them, even though majority doesn't understand it's against their interests

This was the exact same pattern followed when they created a central bank in the US. It's the exact same process, but the public is too uninformed to know this isn't in their interests. The fact that Sarkozy wants this should be a tip off that we shouldn't want it.
 
the response to congress has to have a mathematical example which shows that the FTT would put you out of business. more importantly the tax will never be collected because traders will withdraw from the market.
I don't believe that fazio or harkin understand this point.
 
Quote from clearinghouse:

I think the elites are definitely financing this because it has all the markers of a propaganda operation:

1) Demonizes a minority
2) Promises majority candy of some sort
3) Convinces majority that this is good for them, even though majority doesn't understand it's against their interests

This was the exact same pattern followed when they created a central bank in the US. It's the exact same process, but the public is too uninformed to know this isn't in their interests. The fact that Sarkozy wants this should be a tip off that we shouldn't want it.

even if you seriously believe this is some sort of elite conspiracy, i would keep these kind of theories to yourself. these threads are excellent information sources and only show the enormous amount of objective rational arguments to be made why the FTT is a ridiculous idea (and a lot of world leaders agree with these arguments). don't turn this into some conspiracy nut-kind of thing.
 
Quote from listedguru:

So Sarkozy says several G20 countries signed onto the FTT at the end of the summit? What a joker. Maybe 3 or 4 said yes but most who said yes seemed in indicate they would only do so if the ftt were global (which isn't going to happen).

I can't wait until Sarkozy is out of there. I think the G20 (as a whole) has spoken loud and clear (again) that they do not and will not support a global ftt. If France wants to administer their own ftt no one is stopping them:)

-Guru

Sarkozy looks set to lose to Francois Hollande in next year's election (http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/fre...would-crush-france-s-sarkozy-poll_183275.html). That doesn't mean we'll be any better off though. Hollande is a socialist who has endorsed a 0.5 percent levy on trades of stocks, bonds and derivatives by financial institutions (http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...et-real-on-europe-s-economic-crisis-view.html).

At least the G20 is chaired by Mexico now, who are anti-FTT.
 

You can use govtrack to get email updates when any events related to a bill occur.

Links to the bills on govtrack:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3313

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1787

The bills appear to be identical - rate is .03%.

If I'm reading it correctly a US citizen pays the tax no matter where in the world they live and no matter what exchange they are trading on.

Europeans - if you trade US markets you will pay too.

.........pure insanity.
 
One way to fight this is in the US is to donate money to whomever is running in the next election against the bill sponsors. Put your money where your mouth is!!!


Cosponsors:
Earl Blumenauer [D-OR3]
Bruce Braley [D-IA1]
John Conyers [D-MI14]
Donna Edwards [D-MD4]
Bob Filner [D-CA51]
Maurice Hinchey [D-NY22]

Mazie Hirono [D-HI2]
Henry Johnson [D-GA4]
John Sarbanes [D-MD3]
Robert Scott [D-VA3]
Louise Slaughter [D-NY28]
Fortney Stark [D-CA13]
 
The 2012 elections will be extremely important. The unions have made it clear that they're going to give their full support to pro-FTT candidates. We need to find and support anti-FTT candidates every way we can.


Quote from shneed:

One way to fight this is in the US is to donate money to whomever is running in the next election against the bill sponsors. Put your money where your mouth is!!!
 
Host leaders use the G20 stage to push their own agendas – 2012 Mexico, 2013 Russia, 2014 Australia, 2015 Turkey.

dwrowley: “I'm not quite sure why people don't universally see a FTT as both impractical to manage as well as an insanely bad idea...”

clearinghouse: “There are web sites out there, advocacy groups, and grassroots operations focused around this one issue. I think the elites are definitely financing this because it has all the markers of a propaganda operation”

zdreg: “the response to congress has to have a mathematical example which shows that the FTT would put you out of business. more importantly the tax will never be collected because traders will withdraw from the market.
I don't believe that fazio or harkin understand this point.”

These comments highlight absence of a “NON-trader-biased” (anonymously composed) FTT website compiling simplified analysis of the stealth tax, demystifying its dangers and complexities. Ordinary, mass-dudded people have no alternative, truthful, readily understood resource.
Persuasion requires clarification using the KISS principle. The deceivers are applying this tactic.
Ready links to excerpts from original IMF report the recent EU report (that debunked their own proposal), points from yesterday’s Chance 14 questions etc. etc. are hidden truths and factually important.
In any campaign the public (and political researchers/advisors) must be facilitated with facts. It's too easy for them to receive and believe the loudest, most insistent voices.

e.g. "Financial Transaction Tax - the Hidden (Ugly) Truth". The link to an educational, NON-trader-biased resource could become the gold standard go-to for journalists, politicians, news comments etc.
 
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