1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from bullmarket79:

exactly, usa had a transaction tax from 1914-1966 and the usa was poor, with 91% income tax rates and 70% corporate taxes, you have seen the pictures of the dust bowl, thats what the USA was like back then, once they lifted the financial transaction tax the USA rocketed to the MOON. Thats the power of the free markets baby. Then the republicans banned internet gambling in 2006 and free markets and were back to the dust bowl.:p

I like the way you think! :D
 
Quote from MrPowerBallad:

Some fresh anti-FTT talk from George Osborne:

George Osborne rejects EU transaction tax

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...eorge-Osborne-rejects-EU-transaction-tax.html

"I am against an EU tax," he said. There would be no point introducing a financial transaction tax that led, the next day, to our foreign exchange markets moving to New York or Singapore or anywhere else."

This quote from the above article kind of bugs me:

"Britain has a veto over EU taxation proposals but EU officials suggest that it could be difficult for Mr Osborne to resist a measure billed as a tool to cut public deficits within the eurozone and more widely tackle the debt crisis."

From reading some of the comments after the article many feel that the UK will cave on this issue as I guess they have on many other occasions and issues.

I still feel that the UK won't cave on this issue as there is no upside (for them) in doing it. I just find that last quote from the piece interesting. If the UK were to cave Osborne and the entire Cameron goverment would look like a bunch of idiots after rejecting this tax all along, not to mention the G20 will never agree to this.

-Guru
 
I would be more concerned if Osborne stood alone. The good news is that Sweden, The Netherlands, Denmark and other EU countries have also said no to this tax. Let's hope they stand their ground.

The long-term difficulty is that Euro left-wing politicians, the news media and unions have done a great PR job in whipping up public support for the tax (i.e., against the financial industry). What the public doesn't understand is that just because it "seems" like a good idea, that doesn't mean that it "is" a good idea.

When I discuss taxes with FTT supporters, I bring up the 10% "luxury tax" on yachts that had huge public support in the US in 1991. But what seemed like a good idea to the public turned into an economic disaster.

American boat sales fell over 50%. Thousands of middle-class boat-building workers, sales people, administrative staff and managers lost their jobs. Factories that had been filled with American workers manufacturing high-quality products were suddenly empty.

What had been a booming US boating industry was decimated. The luxury tax on yachts, despite its overwhelming support from the public, did nothing but destroy middle-class jobs.

Adding insult to injury, the luxury tax also resulted in a net loss to the US treasury. In other words, the lost income taxes from the workers and boat businesses plus the cost of unemployment benefits was millions of dollars more than the amount of luxury tax collected.

In 1993 the tax was repealed. But not before the damage had been done. Thousands of middle-class workers had lost their jobs and scores of boating businesses were bankrupt or irreparably damaged.

The FTT will be no different. It will destroy jobs and never generate enough in taxes to pay for the damage it does.


Quote from listedguru:

This quote from the above article kind of bugs me:

"Britain has a veto over EU taxation proposals but EU officials suggest that it could be difficult for Mr Osborne to resist a measure billed as a tool to cut public deficits within the eurozone and more widely tackle the debt crisis."

From reading some of the comments after the article many feel that the UK will cave on this issue as I guess they have on many other occasions and issues.

I still feel that the UK won't cave on this issue as there is no upside (for them) in doing it. I just find that last quote from the piece interesting. If the UK were to cave Osborne and the entire Cameron goverment would look like a bunch of idiots after rejecting this tax all along, not to mention the G20 will never agree to this.

-Guru
 
They are Delusional, like children ignoring everything but there own intentions, this one sentence really says it all..

We strongly believe that the implementation of a FTT at the European level would be a crucial step on the path to reaching a global consensus in a way that does not affect European competitiveness.

After all that has been said and done they still believe and act upon the belief that it will be global - as for not affecting European competitiveness, they have just pulled that out of thin air, a total creation that goes against all the evidence, they have just decided that is what is...

The UK government has let the people down time and time again if there's any UK Forex traders reading this send me a private message(Y)
 
On the 17th of September, we want to see 20,000 people to flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months. Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand in a plurality of voices and we will not leave until that demand has been met.

Like our brothers and sisters in Egypt, Greece, Spain, and Iceland, we plan to use the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic of mass occupation to restore democracy in America. We also encourage the use of nonviolence to achieve our ends and maximize the safety of all participants.......

https://occupywallst.org/
 
Quote from sheda:

Like our brothers and sisters in Egypt, Greece, Spain, and Iceland, we plan to use the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic of mass occupation to restore democracy in America. We also encourage the use of nonviolence to achieve our ends and maximize the safety of all participants.......

https://occupywallst.org/

I applaud your commitment and determination.

I only hope that this effort is not met with the same level of governmental resistance that was used in the above-mentioned countries.

There has been so much condemnation of the violent response used by other nations, but does anyone believe the US government would react anydifferently under similar circumstances?
 
This might sound completely out of left-field, but I'll say it anyway...

The push for a FTT is intended to close a "leak" in the system. Real traders know "leaks" exist, and some of them, are extremely large. Western Governments have radically dismantled their industrialized economies and are erecting some type of neo-feudal police state. Access to virtually unlimited capital, even in the hands of a few tireless commoners, could upset the very social control grid they intend to create. The bureaucrats have regulated, debauched and taxed our economies to the brink of collapse. I think they're doing it on purpose. And they're closing the noose around every possible avenue of wealth creation that could challenge their control. Nationalization of 401K's into Treasuries has already been floated. That's what they did in Argentina. Everyone knows the US dollar is a few years out from collapse. Regulators have created fiefdoms for major industry, stamping out competition from the little guy. The FTT is another chink in the chain.
 
"A prominent support of the Robin Hood Tax is Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University economist who crafted a controversial economic “shock therapy.” Sachs is a key member of the Institute for New Economic Thinking, or INET.


Billionaire George Soros is INET’s founding sponsor, with the billionaire having provided a reported $25 million over five years to support INET activities."

Interesting.

"Sunstein has also been pushing for a new socialist-style U.S. bill of rights that, among other things, would constitutionally require the government to offer each citizen a “useful” job in the farms or industries of the nation."

Cat's got my tongue and I struggle for words on the above..

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/09/...apitalism-seeks-to-re-write-u-s-constitution/
 
Quote from sheda:

"A prominent support of the Robin Hood Tax is Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University economist who crafted a controversial economic “shock therapy.” Sachs is a key member of the Institute for New Economic Thinking, or INET.


Billionaire George Soros is INET’s founding sponsor, with the billionaire having provided a reported $25 million over five years to support INET activities."

Interesting.

"Sunstein has also been pushing for a new socialist-style U.S. bill of rights that, among other things, would constitutionally require the government to offer each citizen a “useful” job in the farms or industries of the nation."

Cat's got my tongue and I struggle for words on the above..

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/09/...apitalism-seeks-to-re-write-u-s-constitution/

instead of receiving checks for 99 weeks if the unemployed on extended vacation were required to work p/t at a minimum wage job it would be amazing how quickly these people would get a job or would start a business. on the other hand I would like to think that alot them are already creating businesses while collecting the checks.

by the way jeffrey sachs is reviled in poland for the shock treatment the country received under his nostrum. if i recalled correctly as a result there was too much gov't intervention in the economy. the country didn't get back on its feet until free markets solutions were accepted against sach's wishes.
 
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