1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from sheda:

Yea I have come to the same conclusions - is a strange world.

"China and India May Follow the EU’s Lead– Ironically, Countries with exchange controls, such as China and India, are perhaps in the best position to introduce FTT before they fully liberalize their capital accounts. The Asian financial crisis demonstrated that market manipulation exists in all markets, especially in thinly traded emerging market currencies, as most foreign exchange transactions are traded over-the-counter (OTC) and offshore.”"

:D


http://yalebooks.wordpress.com/2011...ou-never-heard-of-the-tobin-tax/#comment-2904

Why in the world would China want this tax? If anything China would love to snap up the biz that an EU ftt would surely displace. This author is very ill informed on this issue (IMHO).

From Dr. Sheng:

“My view is that despite opposition from the financial institutions, the introduction of a global FTT is no longer if, but when. Given high fiscal deficits, higher taxes are inevitable. Once the EU starts the ball rolling, I see China, India and the emerging markets that are coping with huge capital inflows following.”

LOL - A worldwide ftt is the biggest pipedream of them all. Do these people honestly think all these countries would agree to implement an ftt and all at the same rate.

We need to make sure that the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands, Malta, etc hang tough on this and squash it at the EU level (which I'm confident that they will)...

I even like this quote from the author at the end of the article:

"Most economists I talk to dismiss the Tobin tax." - LOL

-Guru
 
1%? Ok then reduce the capital gains tax. I hear people talking about this all the time, many consider it a sin tax, we have smoking taxes and alcohol taxes because we call them sin taxes and greed is a sin so its a sin tax. If they want 1% as mentioned in the above post then cut the capital gains tax to 0%.
 
Quote from bullmarket79:

1%? Ok then reduce the capital gains tax. I hear people talking about this all the time, many consider it a sin tax, we have smoking taxes and alcohol taxes because we call them sin taxes and greed is a sin so its a sin tax. If they want 1% as mentioned in the above post then cut the capital gains tax to 0%.


One thousand contracts 90 day position - capital gains tax applies if you are profitable - tax always under 50% and calculated from profit

VS

One thousand contracts 90 day position - no capital gains tax applies just a 1% FFT for buy/sell and each roll over.

Whats 1% of 100,000,000 X 90 + buy/sell Mr bull market? Reduce capital gains?:D

It would be more thoughtful and sustainable to successful investing if they were to pay for the bullet to shoot our selves in the head with.
 
Also your "greed sin tax" is not something I can relate to - turning a profit in the markets is not "greed" - capital gains tax can not be compared to a tax on cigarettes either/

The market does not need a greed tax thats built into the system:)
 
Is Cameron safe?

Is anyone else following this hacking scandal closely? There are some rumblings that somehow it could cost Cameron his job in the UK. Is that really true? I'm not sure how their politics work in this regard. Just putting this out there as if he were to step down it could have ramifications in regards to their stance on the ftt.

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/could-cameron-be-next

-Guru
 
I do not know of any one in the UK government that supports this - I have read a few articles from labour supporters demanding it, how ever for the most part there case rested on:

" the government must campaign for this world wide"

There have been one or two who think Britain is the ruler of the world saying " Britain must lead the way then all will follow"

Cant see it being an issue.
 
Quote from listedguru:

Is Cameron safe?

Is anyone else following this hacking scandal closely? There are some rumblings that somehow it could cost Cameron his job in the UK. Is that really true? I'm not sure how their politics work in this regard. Just putting this out there as if he were to step down it could have ramifications in regards to their stance on the ftt.

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/could-cameron-be-next

-Guru
A good guidline to the future of the Prime Minister is the fate of Metropolitan Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson who resigned over hiring of former News of the World deputy editor Neil Wallis as a PR consultant.

Note that the final blow to Sir Paul was dealt when it transpired that Neil Wallis had links to a spa where Sir Palu received £12,000 worth of free accommodation and treatment.

Similarly to Paul Stephenson, Cameron should be safe unless it comes to light he personally received money of free hospitality from someone connected to News of the World.

Another consideration is Cameron's position as a PM is a cornerstone of the coalition agreement. Because of it Conservative MPs will be relactant to use current events as a pretext to demand his resignation as it will likely be the end of the coalition.

Also read an article in defence of the PM: http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/07/british-press-and-phone-hacking-scandal-6
 
Quote from listedguru:

Is Cameron safe?

-Guru

It's not in any way, shape or form a threat to Cameron. He already ditched the ex NOTW guy (Andy Coulson) months ago.

The Centre-Left state run BBC loves the hacking story because it derails News Corps bid for SkyTV, which is the only real threat to the BBC's own near monopoly of UK television. And newspapers are of course another form of competition in the media space, so the journo hacks have been in a feeding frenzy in the last couple of weeks. At this time of the year they usually regurgitate stories about sightings of Loch Ness Monster / Big Foot, so I guess this is a nice change for them...

The hacking story gives Labour leader Ed Milliband something to talk about and aim a couple of pot shots at the PM...but that's about it IMHO.
 
If set at a low enough rate, a tax on financial transactions (FTT) would hinder speculation on sovereign debt while avoiding a massive relocation of banks to safe offshore locations, argues Michel Barnier, the EU's internal market commissioner. Brussels is expected to present plans for an FTT in the autumn.
However, the tax has one powerful opponent – the UK. Britain's opposition has not wavered as the country's government is adamant that it will not introduce new taxes at a time when banks are struggling to prove their liquidity.

In spite of London's staunch resistance, the European Commission said it will come up with a draft FTT in the autumn, arguing it will help hinder speculation on sovereign debt.

The argument comes as eurozone leaders prepare to meet in Brussels on Thursday (21 July) to agree a second bail-out plan to rescue Greece from its mounting debt pile.

"We know it will be difficult, we know there needs to be unanimity [among EU member states]," Commissioner Barnier told members of the press recently.

But he thinks it is worth trying. "We believe that this tax is economically sustainable by markets as long as the rate is modest," he said. The tax, he added, would be "technically easy, financially productive and politically appropriate" given the huge amount of taxpayers' money that governments invested to rescue the banking sector during the 2008 financial crisis.

"If Europeans do not take the initiative, there is no chance that anyone will talk about this tax. So the Europeans are right to suggest it," Barnier said.

Traders moving offshore?

The FTT has faced criticism since it was invented by American economist James Tobin in 1972, with some arguing banks will respond by moving their transactions offshore in countries with no such tax.

But if the tax is low enough, banks will have more to lose than gain from fleeing Europe, the Commission believes. "If the rate is sufficiently modest, we think there will be enormous costs to moving offshore, without being certain to evade the tax," a senior EU official told EurActiv.

The official admitted that an FTT would create a risk of "evaporation" of trading activity to exotic places. "You can of course create a company in the Cayman Islands that will trade with an MIF platform in the Bahamas."

But he said the risk is manageable as long as the rate is low and sanctions are enforced. "At the end of the day, you are a European tax resident, you buy a European share on a European marketplace, so if you get caught…up to you." ( WHAT POWERS DO THE EU HAVE TO PUNISH TRADERS WHO ARE SET UP OFFSHORE?)

Tackling high frequency trading

According to plans being considered in Brussels, the tax would vary according to the products being traded – shares, bonds or derivatives. The objective is to discourage the most harmful trades such as high frequency trading and derivatives, which can destabilise markets.

"At the end of the day, the tax is going to weigh on the speculators," the official said. "It is going to weigh in particular on hedge funds, which will be obliged to register in Europe and have a passport if they want to be players here."

Stephan Schulmeister, an Austrian economist advising the Commission, agrees. In an interview with EurActiv, he claims that high-frequency traders cannot move offshore because their computer servers need to be located as close as possible to the servers of exchanges, like the LSE, to minimise the time span between the beginning and end of the trade, a prerequisite for any speculator.

Schulmeister has long lobbied in favour of the tax, which he claims is now more relevant than ever as it would dampen speculation on sovereign debt.

Countering critics who argue the tax will increase costs for the consumer, Schulmeister points out that it is not aimed at every institution but at the likes of Goldman Sachs, which gained infamy for trades based on short-term bets.

"Short-term trading with high leverage is predominantly done by hedge funds which engage in high frequency trading, some 'finance alchemy banks,' and by the increasing number of amateur traders. To whom should Goldman transfer the tax burden?" the economist asks.

Though there is little proof that a planned !!!!!!!0.25%!!!!!!!! levy on financial transactions will dampen speculation, Schulmeister is adamant that the maths will stand up and that speculation, such as credit default swaps used by hedge funds to bet against indebted governments, will take a hit if such a tax is implemented.

Schulmeister adds that the UK would do well to approve an FTT. As the financial nerve centre of the EU is in the UK, the economist claims the British treasury would make the most revenue out of the tax with MINIMAL DAMAGE to its industry.

http://www.euractiv.com/en/euro-finance/eu-builds-case-finance-tax-ahead-draft-proposals-news-506654


They seem to be approaching this more and more from the perspective of stopping speculation on sovereign debt - so the market should not factor in and react to the disastrous fundamentals of these country's?

God help me.
 
Quote from sheda:

In an interview with EurActiv, he claims that high-frequency traders cannot move offshore because their computer servers need to be located as close as possible to the servers of exchanges, like the LSE, to minimise the time span between the beginning and end of the trade, a prerequisite for any speculator.


LOL...That's right. Their systems making an average of 0.001% per trade( 1 EUR per 100000 ) have to be colocated to the exchange. So they will trade in London like every day when a 0.01% tax will come...What an idiot.

NB: Good point Barnier confirms it needs unanimity.
 
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