1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from benwm:

While I tend to agree, there is no harm in having some of the economists bickering between themselves...

Perhaps Goodhart is the man to stand up to Nobel Krugman...

And anyway an email tax would have no chance of being sold to the public at this stage...but presumably there is nothing wrong with 'putting some sand in the wheels' of the debate... :D

Later we can throws rocks at the problem...

Exactly. Some moot debate won't hurt.
 
Quote from TraDaToR:

The IMF was supposed to make comments available in January on their site to stimulate debate, but nothing has been done apparently.???

Every letter/comment concerning financial sector taxation must be sent before Feb,1st to: IMFConsultation@imf.org

I just sent the below email.


Thumbed on my iPhone with typos. CEO GreenTraderTax.com

On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:33 PM, "Robert A. Green" <rgreencpa@gmail.com> wrote:

I have covered this tax topic in-depth on my blog, magazine articles and petitions to US Congress. _Please visit my blog to read my articles. _This tax will seriously damage markets, economies and jobs. The answer is more bank capital, regulation and leverage constraints. A bank levy is better than a financial transaction tax but even a levy invites moral hazard. Switzerland, Hong Kong and other market centers will not enact this tax so it will competively hurt the US and UK the most. The IMF is concerned with both of these countries improving their financial condition and this tax will hurt it. The IMF's initial reports and Secretary Geithner are correct on the levy being preferable over a tax. Only desperate political and non-profit elements hungry to win votes (UK Labour) and funds for social causes and a new global tax sovereignty regime are in favor of this tax. None of their reasons justify this economic destruction. Speculators make markets and markets are as imortant as products. Stifling or killing off speculation will raise prices for users like farmers. It's government interferance like price controls. Some desperate countries facing EU budget infractions may be interested in this market control but that is against IMF policies. There is no valid justification for this tax. The IMF report due in early 2010 can put this financial firestorm out worldwide and in the US, UK and finally EU. _Thank you for saving the world again.

Thumbed on my iPhone with typos. CEO GreenTraderTax.com
 
Quote from benwm:Whenever a well-meaning, but misguided, do-gooder suggests adopting a Tobin tax on fx, or other financial transactions, trump by proposing instead a Goodhart tax on each e-mail addressee. We might even win.[/B]
How about extending the simple heuristic Reg-T-like leverage limits to
other markets with similar volatility? Especially to the market, where
overleveraging caused the 2008 'credit crunch' crisis?

Why not focus our regulatory zeal on those lower-middle-class 10:1
leveraged house market speculators who were the primary source of the
financial contagion? What exactly is the difference between:

property_market_speculators_leverage = 1 / (1 - loan_to_value_ratio)

and the good old:

stock_market_speculators_leverage = stock / net_liquidation_value

Well, probably this: the latter has been capped in the US at 2:1 since
the 1940's, whereas the former is potentially unlimited. E.g. Fannie Mae
permits 1 / (1 - 0.8) = 500% (5:1) leverage on a painfully illiquid
house market with margin-call-liquidation periods measured in months. On
the other hand, if you try to buy DIA or FXE shares with similar or
lower volatility (and liquidation period measured in milliseconds), you
cannot exceed 200% (2:1) overnight due to the good old (literally)
Regulation T.

And if all animals were equal, then Tobin tax would cover property
market transactions as well. The proponents would feel on their own skin
how exactly 'tiny' would a 1% transaction tax be when applied to a 10:1
leveraged bet (such as a mortgage). (Answer: the Government would take
20% of your cash deposit, even before any market losses multiplied by
10). And now a surprise: the capital-efficient low-volatility currency
markets permit 100:1 leverage. So Tobin-tax them with a 1% rate and you
get... a daylight robbery, whereby the IRS confiscates the entire cash
deposit the customer had (twice, if the customer wants to close the
position).

But no, every manual worker has a right to home ownership, so labour
unions would fight a tax on property market leverage tooth and nail,
which is why in this particular market leverage will be tagged socially
useful, and we shall silently exempt it (because it is not a 'financial'
transaction, at least the US Rep. DeFazio says so).

The IMF knows that they have to tax someone, because their (J.P.
Morgan's) models of bank capital requirements fail to account for
volatility mean-reversion, allowing the most aggressive risk-taking to
go on precisely the very top of any bubble, and constraining bank
lending only *after* the fact (i.e. the crash), when credit is most
badly needed for economic recovery. Spain flauted these not exactly
common-sensical regulations and saved some 'excessive' reserves for lean
years, and now their banks can afford to take over British ones, which
played by the Basel II rules...

So to sum it up, a 0.25% Tobin tax on SPY traders (or rather on their
accredited investors - mostly pension funds) will obviously address all
root causes. Rather than merely creating a 10:1 preference for ES
futures trading (because there the Tobin tax rate proposed in the US is
10 times lower, 0.02%).

(a letter sent to mailto:IMFConsultation@imf.org )

BTW, http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/consult/2009/index.htm should start displaying some of these messages after January 1.
 
Quote from ZeroSigma:

So to sum it up, a 0.25% Tobin tax on SPY traders (or rather on their
accredited investors - mostly pension funds) will obviously address all
root causes. Rather than merely creating a 10:1 preference for ES
futures trading (because there the Tobin tax rate proposed in the US is
10 times lower, 0.02%).

Did you mistakingly omit the crucial word 'NOT' between obviously & address?!
 
Quote from FightTheFuture:

ICI: Transaction tax would take big bite out of fund returns

http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100103/REG/301039993/1030/MUTUALFUNDS


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The above is the only article I've seen mentioning Harkin's bill, unleashed 12-23-09.


"Wall Street Fair Share Act"

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.2927:

Great find on locating Harkin's bill. Here is another link to track it:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-2927

It currently had (3) co sponsors. It's interesting that it was introduced with so little fan fare. I was searching everyday day for the bill but it never came up anywhere. Very interesting indeed.

-Guru
 
Does anyone know if the schedules for the Senate Finance Committee and the Committees that the Defazio bill is currently sitting are posted online?

The schedule for the House & Senate are available online, but I've yet to find schedules for individual committees.
 
Quote from listedguru:

Great find on locating Harkin's bill. Here is another link to track it:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-2927

It currently had (3) co sponsors. It's interesting that it was introduced with so little fan fare. I was searching everyday day for the bill but it never came up anywhere. Very interesting indeed.

-Guru

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Here is a list of the committee members for the Senate Finance Committee:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSFI

-Guru
 
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