1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Financial Trade Tax Seen To Avoid Bloated Finance Sector

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091126-707066.html

(Dow Jones)--Financial transaction taxes and higher capital requirements are legitimate ways to reduce the size of banks so they don't become too big to fail and contribute to an over-sized financial sector, a report from a group of academics said Friday.

A financial sector which has grown too large is usually characterized by a focus on non-core activities, such as short-term trading, and not on providing the long-term savings and investment business that is crucial to households and companies, a report from the Warwick Commission said in a report on international regulation.

"Refocusing regulation on capacity will encourage smaller balance sheets and more specialised institutions," the report said. "Taxes on financial institutions and additional capital requirements for large institutions are legitimate ways of trying to internalize social externalities onto bank behaviour."

The International Monetary Fund is currently analyzing how financial institutions could be made to help fund future government bailouts, including through the use of what is commonly known as a Tobin tax, after Nobel-winning economist James Tobin who proposed a tax on foreign-currency transactions to reduce volatility in the 1970s.

U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown called for a financial transactions tax during a meeting of finance officials from the Group of 20 industrial and developing countries earlier this month although the proposal was criticized by other countries. U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said he wouldn't support a day-by-day financial transactions tax.

Adair Turner, the chairman of the U.K. Financial Services Authority, said in a magazine interview during the summer that, if stricter capital requirements don't prevent excess pay, profits and risk-taking by banks, the U.K. should consider applying transaction taxes.

Turner, in a comment on the Warwick Commission's report, said its "insistence on the need to consider the right-sizing not only of specific institutions but of finance in total are particularly useful."

A bloated financial sector, involved in riskier activities, makes the impact of a crisis worse and means the over-sized banks which operate in it, have undue influence on governments to force a bailout, the report said.

The report said systemically-important banks should have to retain higher capital against market losses and meet tougher disclosure requirements than smaller institutions to reduce the chance they will get into trouble. It said regulators should use system-wide stress tests to determine which ones are the riskiest firms.

"Systemically important institutions will balk at this special treatment and regulators will likely end up using crude but transparent criteria of what is systemically important...this would still be better than making no distinction...," the report said.

It also recommended greater emphasis be placed on host-country regulation under which banks are regulated by the supervisors in each country in which they operate rather than by the regulator in their home country. Currently, bank units are usually overseen by the host regulator while branches are supervised by home bodies.

The flaw in this system came to the fore when the U.K. government had to compensate depositors who lost money invested in the U.K. branches of three Icelandic banks that became insolvent in 2008 even though the FSA had little prudential regulatory power over them.

To compensate for this national focus, the report says there needs to be greater cooperation between regulators around the world so they maintain similar standards and don't allow firms to simply move their business to laxer financial centers.

Greater emphasis must be placed on host country regulation within a more legitimate system of international cooperation, the report said.
 
Congressmen float trades tax

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...ectors/banking_and_finance/article6934273.ece

Lawmakers could propose within weeks a US version of the tax on financial trades favoured by Gordon Brown to fund the global recovery from the financial crisis.

Democrats Peter DeFazio and Ed Perlmutter are working on a bill that they claim would raise $150 billion a year through a tax of up to 0.25 per cent on securities and derivatives transactions.

The lawmakers are currently seeking support from House of Representatives colleagues for the bill, which would be called Let Wall Street Pay for the Restoration of Main Street Act.

If they win sufficient backing, the proposal could be introduced by mid-December in the House as part of wide-ranging new legislation aimed at cutting US unemployment, which reached a 26-year high of 10.2 per cent in October.
 
Quote from hermit:

Your conspiracy theory angle is amusing but far-fetched.

Your notion that the lawmakers are just "stupid" and "do not understand what they are doing" is also amusing, yet sad.
 
Quote from Anaconda:

Please put your naivety aside if you expect to ever understand how things really work. This is not about what is right or wrong, this is just business.
The major bracket firms/banks will get their exemptions via market maker status, just like in the UK.



Frankly, even I do not give a sh8t about most brokerages & vendors, being that they are mostly scumbags. That put aside, the markets will not be hurt anywhere near as much as you think. Institutions will still invest, while passing down the costs to the public. Trading still goes on in UK, doesn't it?



You're obviously unaware of how markets worked decades ago. Maybe you should learn about commissions & technological restrictions back in those days because small investors could only buy & sell on a weekly basis due to astronomical commissions and slow execution.



You may need to work on your reading comprehension and re-read the post that you quoted of mine. This IS NOT about tax revenue. That's just the silly excuse which apparently most of you keep falling for.


i too think that your point of view is a little bit too much conspiracy theory.

and i don't think (call me naive if you like) that this thing is just about banishing individual traders. if this game was only about hurting the small guy we would have never got 0.01 spreads, etc.

naive are those clowns who came up with such an idea. they have no clue about markets or trading and they just see a certain trading volume and say well let's take 0.25% or whatever and we have a ton of money and that'll solve all our problems. those idiots have to talk to some experts and maybe then they understand how stupid they actually are.

one way or another i'm sure that any tax would hurt the exchanges and i'm sure they won't just sit and watch and let it happen.

a tt would have to reach at least one of two things: raise money OR stabilize markets. in fact it wouldn't reach neither of them.
 
Quote from Anaconda:

Your notion that the lawmakers are just "stupid" and "do not understand what they are doing" is also amusing, yet sad.

Anaconda, I normally do not engage in such discussions, but you have at least one serious flaw in your thinking.

You obviously must think retail traders/investors "take something away" from institutions, so institutions would be interested in keeping (self directed) retail traders/investors out of the market.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Because as an aggregate whole, they are losers. BIG LOSERS. They are the prey upon which many professionals feed.

Driving self-directed retail traders/investors away from the market makes as much sense for Wall Street as it makes sense for Las Vegas to drive the gamblers away.
 
Quote from Anaconda:

Your notion that the lawmakers are just "stupid" and "do not understand what they are doing" is also amusing, yet sad.

Now when did I say that :confused:
 
Brown takes campaign for Tobin tax to Commonwealth

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/27/brown-tobin-tax-commonwealth

Gordon Brown will today maintain his campaign for the introduction of a so-called Tobin tax on global financial transactions in the face of US opposition.

Buoyed by the decision of the head of the International Monetary Fund to drop his opposition to the tax, the prime minister will tell the Commonwealth heads of government meeting that he still supports the measure.

The tax should be among a series of options to avoid a repeat of last year's international banking crisis, he will tell the summit, which opens in Trinidad and Tobago today.

Brown faced embarrassment earlier this month when he proposed a Tobin tax at a meeting of G20 finance ministers in St Andrews and Tim Geithner, the US treasury secretary, dismissed the idea.
 
Quote from ksharmon:

Brown takes campaign for Tobin tax to Commonwealth

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/27/brown-tobin-tax-commonwealth

Gordon Brown will today maintain his campaign for the introduction of a so-called Tobin tax on global financial transactions in the face of US opposition.

Buoyed by the decision of the head of the International Monetary Fund to drop his opposition to the tax, the prime minister will tell the Commonwealth heads of government meeting that he still supports the measure.

The tax should be among a series of options to avoid a repeat of last year's international banking crisis, he will tell the summit, which opens in Trinidad and Tobago today.

Brown faced embarrassment earlier this month when he proposed a Tobin tax at a meeting of G20 finance ministers in St Andrews and Tim Geithner, the US treasury secretary, dismissed the idea.

Geitner has no spine. He will capitulate within the next 30 days.
 
In 2007, China imposed a 0.3% stamp tax on stock purchase. Its stock market shrank 50% afterward. In Sweden, 60% trade volume were gone after the government imposed a transaction tax. Their markets had not recovered until the taxes were scraped. If US did the same thing, its stock market probably will shrink by at least 50%.
 
Quote from sculptor66:

Anaconda, I normally do not engage in such discussions, but you have at least one serious flaw in your thinking.

You obviously must think retail traders/investors "take something away" from institutions, so institutions would be interested in keeping (self directed) retail traders/investors out of the market.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Because as an aggregate whole, they are losers. BIG LOSERS. They are the prey upon which many professionals feed.

Driving self-directed retail traders/investors away from the market makes as much sense for Wall Street as it makes sense for Las Vegas to drive the gamblers away.

wall street professionals prey off the institutions. particularly mutual funds where behavior is predictable and the numbers are larger.

find out through an anonymous poll how much ET posters trade.it will help you to draw a feeding chart.

if there is going to be a sacrificial lamb guess which kind of traders it is going to be?
 
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