1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from drukes1234:

Exactly... there will be ways around it, it may take us some time (maybe even up to a year) to perfect exactly how to get around it but it will happen. This tax would be a major inconvenience but I do not think it would eliminate us traders.
So if it happens this way basically the only people paying the tax will be the mom and pop investors. lol
 
Quote from Trader666:

So big players and evil Wall Street will be exempt but the "little guy" will pay? I think not... not in this political environment anyway...

yeah i agree with you on the political environment thing, but theres not a chance in hell they will make market makers pay it. Someones gotta be exempt..and from there starts the swap business. In fact i would say theres a bunch of swap/cfd brokers already analysing the business
 
Quote from RedDuke:


I would say that the odds are greatly in favor of this tax never taking place, but we live in financial turmoil where many stupid things can be legislated. [/B]


Agreed! I also think the odds of this tax being placed on us is very slim, but with a Democrat in office, this still causes me some concern. If Obama needs to generate more tax revenues for all these zillion dollar bailouts, I would rather have him jack up all federal tax brackets than impose something like this.
 
Quote from Klamath:

So if it happens this way basically the only people paying the tax will be the mom and pop investors. lol

Well what do you expect man, that Defazio and his groupies with down syndrome actually thought this through?
 
Quote from drukes1234:

Well what do you expect man, that Defazio and his groupies with down syndrome actually thought this through?

I'm honestly surprised Stock_Trad3r isn't Defazio's advisor
 
So pretend to punish those who were responsible by punishing those who were not while exempting the real culprits and the bulk of the transactions that would provide revenue? I don't think we've reached that level of stupidity yet.
Quote from RedDuke:

Pretty much, but it will of course will be spoon fed to public differently. Something lie this:

This tax is punish evil speculators who caused all this financial trouble (never mind that this is total lie, public will eat it easily, and it will not be worded as punishment of course), they sure can afford to pay 1/4 of 1 percent. It is such a minuscule fee after all.

Then there will be some beautifully versed language why big companies are exempt, something a long the line that they perform a great service by providing stability to market place and so on.

I would say that the odds are greatly in favor of this tax never taking place, but we live in financial turmoil where many stupid things can be legislated.
 
Quote from Trader666:

So pretend to punish those who were responsible by punishing those who were not while exempting the real culprits and the bulk of the transactions that would provide revenue? I don't think we've reached that level of stupidity yet.

I am hoping that for that as well.
 
Quote from zzt:

yeah i agree with you on the political environment thing, but theres not a chance in hell they will make market makers pay it. Someones gotta be exempt..and from there starts the swap business. In fact i would say theres a bunch of swap/cfd brokers already analysing the business

Problem with cfds is ( not sure, never traded it ) is that you cannot provide liquidity. It doesn't make sense to trade it unless the "house" make errors.Definitely not the solution.
 
Quote from TraDaToR:

Problem with cfds is ( not sure, never traded it ) is that you cannot provide liquidity. It doesn't make sense to trade it unless the "house" make errors.Definitely not the solution.

That means you can't place a marketable order?
 
Quote from Angrycat:

Yes, it would be nice for the exchanges (and, yes, I do realize that Merrill and Goldman pretty much own the NYSE because they can threaten to cross trades in house and SIG owns the PHILEX, etc.) to get the spreads and commissions back the way they were before ECNs and commission deregulation drove down cushy, easy profits for them. The thing is, 30 years ago, foreign exchanges weren't providing significant competition to them. Today they are. The price elasticity of demand has increased. So, for every unit increase in transactions costs, there's a decrease in volume as traders simply find something else to trade abroad. Certainly, going to Singapore will be no problem for a pro trader. Retail guys are always screwed no matter what.

Because of this international competition, I don't think the big guys are going to be getting that edge (economic rent) back because if they do it by raising prices, they will lose volume to the competition. The only way they can win is by increasing volume by decreasing price. Already the big guys have cottoned on to this and they're providing locked markets on large trades for a commission instead of the bid/ask spread. No small market making firm can safely make that kind of market. If they add a tax to that, more of those huge trades cross on foreign exchanges and the big guys will lose commission.

If the only guys who are exempt are the big guy and that drives the small guys out of business, then no tax revenue (or virtually no tax revenue) will be collected. The only transactions will be infrequent ones by long term investors and volatility as well as the cost of raising capital for firms will go up as a result - which is how I define "killing the capital markets". Collecting a couple of dollars in tax revenue doesn't seem worth killing the capital markets for. But then....we're talking about government and government is fully capable of so much bullshit that nothing it does amazes me anymore.

And that's exactly the reason Summers changed position on the transaction tax.
 
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