1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from tortoise:

http://financialtransactiontaxes.com/LetsTawkTax.html


Thoughts, anyone?

In the section, "Ok, but it's a teeny-tiny tax right?", perhaps you could mention this:-

When Sweden introduced a transaction tax in January 1989 on five-year bonds of only 0.003%, during the first week of the tax the volume of bond trading fell by 85%! The volume of futures trading fell by 98% and the options trading market disappeared. As a result of the devastating impact on market liquidity, the tax on fixed-income securities was abolished on 15 April 1990.

At a time when governments are issuing enormous quantities of bonds to fund unemployment insurance and other social spending, any reduction in bond market liquidity and the accompanying increase in borrowing costs could be fatal for the global economy and living standards of the poorest. (I added this - perhaps you can word it better!)

Source:
Financial Transaction Taxes: The International Experience and the Lessons for Canada (Marion G. Wrobel)
http://dsp-psd.tpsgc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp419-e.htm
 
simon lewis London times why the financial transaction tax is a bad idea

today's edition


A financial transaction tax would be the wrong choice for Europe at any time; and particularly now.
To understand the impact of FTT, we need to answer four essential questions. Is it an efficient means of raising tax revenue? Would it benefit the end-users of the financial markets, both businesses and consumers? Would it enable the creation of economic growth and jobs? And would it make financial markets more stable?
First, financial services is a mobile, global and highly competitive sector. The European Commission’s suggests that Europe would lose 10 per cent of its securities market, 40 per cent of its spot currency market and 70 to 90 per cent of its derivatives market if FTT were introduced.
These are alarming numbers and economically very damaging — and they are not mere conjecture. Sweden’s FTT (from 1984 to 1991), resulted in between 90 and 99 per cent of traders in bonds, equities and derivatives moving from Stockholm to London. This was an expensive lesson for Sweden. Its experience should prevent Europe from making a similar mistake.
Second, what will be the impact on users of financial markets, including ordinary consumers? Economic theory suggests that a transaction tax would largely be passed on to end-users, whether they are savers, investors or businesses. The European Commission itself makes this point.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article3218163.ece (requires subscription)
 
Sarkozy's paltry list is a product of his feeble imagination.

Argentina and Brazil have both said they will support the FTT ONLY if it's implemented worldwide. Even Sarkozy knows that's not going to happen.

He also fails to mention that eleven of the G20 nations said “no” to the FTT at the G20 meeting:

The United States
Canada
Mexico
The United Kingdom
Australia
China
India
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Indonesia
South Korea


Quote from southall:


According to sarkozy:

As well as France the

The European Commission (not the EU)
Germany
Spain
Argentina
The African Union
Ethiopia
The UN Secretary General
Brazil

are all in favor in principle..

Does Ethiopia even have a stock market?

If you listen at the end, only about 2 or 3 people clap his speech. These are most probably the French, German and EC members of the crowd.
 
I'm surprised he didn't add Bill Gates to the list. :D :D

But at least we can now all cross Ethiopia off our list of possible destinations to escape to.

Not many Asian names on the list. I guess they took a look at the fine example Europe is making with its economic management and decided, "I think I'll pass this time, thanks!"
 
Quote from benwm:

In the section, "Ok, but it's a teeny-tiny tax right?", perhaps you could mention this:-

When Sweden introduced a transaction tax in January 1989 on five-year bonds of only 0.003%, during the first week of the tax the volume of bond trading fell by 85%! The volume of futures trading fell by 98% and the options trading market disappeared. As a result of the devastating impact on market liquidity, the tax on fixed-income securities was abolished on 15 April 1990.

At a time when governments are issuing enormous quantities of bonds to fund unemployment insurance and other social spending, any reduction in bond market liquidity and the accompanying increase in borrowing costs could be fatal for the global economy and living standards of the poorest. (I added this - perhaps you can word it better!)

Source:
Financial Transaction Taxes: The International Experience and the Lessons for Canada (Marion G. Wrobel)
http://dsp-psd.tpsgc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp419-e.htm

Really good. Thanks. I'll include a bit of this in this "let's talk" page (which is oriented toward an overview, and build it out considerably in the page about Sweden.
 
A few FTT promoters:
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Shady UN Development Agency Pushes Hard For Global Tax
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/42115

United Nations Development Programme. The UNDP has been pushing some sort of global financial tax for at least twenty years.

The Association for the Taxation of Financial Transactions for the Aid of Citizens (ATTAC)

Jeffrey D. Sachs, a Columbia University economist who is a Special Advisor to United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and works with the UNDP on the United Nations’ massive global wealth redistribution program known as the Millennium Development Goals. Sachs is urging President Obama to accept and impose a financial transaction tax (FTT).
 
You think maybe using a different graphic on that site, like a guy wearing a barrel, for the dual meaning - naked AND broke
 
Quote from tortoise:

Slowly chunking my way through this beast. Completed a draft of one content page, "Let's Talk Tax!"

Comments, for better or worse, welcomed.

http://financialtransactiontaxes.com/LetsTawkTax.html

Following is information I've collected. Use any way you like. Also sent via your website. Hope you got it.

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The Swedish experience (1984-1991) with the FTT resulted in lower GDP and increased unemployment. Most of the tax fell on retail investors and very little on financial institutions (many of whom either went out of business or left the country). Only 3% of the projected FTT revenues ever materialized (a source of considerable embarrassment) and the tax was a net loss to the Swedish Treasury. The FTT was repealed in 1991 after it destroyed much of Sweden’s financial industry. On September 16, 2011, Anders Borg, the Swedish Finance Minister, said: “We have substantial experience in Sweden...And from the Swedish perspective, we cannot foresee that we would introduce such a tax in our system again."

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The FTT has been studied extensively in the US, Canada and Australia where the tax has been rejected because it’s projected to contract GDP, increase unemployment and place most of the burden on retail investors rather than financial institutions. Most recently, the EU Commission's official 1200 page “Impact Assessment Report” for the FTT says the following:
1. The FTT will cause EU GDP to contract, yielding an annual negative 1.8 percent GDP (or an annual GDP loss of 221 billion Euros)
2. Result in a loss of 500,000 EU jobs
3. Result in a loss of 110 billion Euros in income, VAT and business tax revenues (from the contracting economy and lost jobs)
4. Raise 57B Euros in Financial Transaction Taxes while LOSING 110B Euros in income, VAT and business taxes -- resulting in a NET LOSS of 53B Euros each year
5. Most of the net economic burden falls on individuals (from job losses) and non-financial businesses (from economic contraction)

..................................

The United States Treasury Department studied the FTT and concluded that most of the tax falls on retail investors and very little on financial institutions. Lael Brainard, Treasury Department Undersecretary for International Affairs, recently said: “We're very much in sync with Europe on their goal of ensuring that large financial institutions bear their fair share of the burden, but the US-proposed 'responsibility fee' would better deter the kind of risky behavior that led to the crisis as well as ensure that large financial institutions and not retail investors bear the burden."

………………………………………

Supporters of the FTT often tout the success of the UK “stamp tax,” but fail to disclose that most banks and investment firms do not pay the tax. Over 70% of all London Exchange transactions pay no stamp tax, and 100% of all other transactions (e.g., trades on the CME or NYSE) are also exempt. Of all the transactions that originate in the UK, fewer than 3% are subject to the stamp tax. If all transactions were taxable, financial firms would exit London in droves. ICAP, with over 2000 employees in London, recently announced that they will leave the city if the FTT is implemented in the UK. Scores of other financial services firms will follow right on their heels. If these firms relocate, London would lose billions in economic activity, billions more in income taxes and capital gains taxes, and 30,000-50,000 jobs.

……………………………………..
Current state of the Financial Transaction Tax (FTT):
1. EUROPE
The European Union's "Impact Assessment Report" of the proposed EU FTT showed that it would reduce EU GDP, cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and would actually decrease total tax revenue collections because taxes lost from the contracting economy and decreased employment would be greater than the FTT taxes collected. The Czech Finance Minister called the tax "economically irrational." The Swedish Finance Minister rejected the tax and said that Sweden would not participate. The UK, Ireland and Malta have also stated their intentions to oppose the FTT.


2. THE UNITED STATES
(a) The Obama administration came out against the FTT saying that treasury department studies showed that most of the cost would be borne by retail investors and not financial institutions. The Obama administration is proposing a tax that imposes fees directly on financial institutions based upon how much risk each bank puts into the financial system. Lael Brainard, Treasury Department Undersecretary for International Affairs, recently said: “We're very much in sync with Europe on their goal of ensuring that large financial institutions bear their fair share of the burden, but the US-proposed 'responsibility fee' would better deter the kind of risky behavior that led to the crisis as well as ensure that large financial institutions and not retail investors bear the burden."

(b) Peter Defazio recently introduced FTT legislation in the House of Representatives. However, it was only able to attract 12 co-sponsors and is unlikely to get out of committee for a vote in the Republican-controlled House. Tom Harkin introduced similar legislation in the Senate, but with Democratic stalwarts Dick Durbin and Charles Schumer likely to support the Obama plan, Harkin’s legislation will have difficulty gaining traction in the Senate.


3. THE WORLD (G20)
Eleven of the G20 nations have said “no” to the FTT. These countries include: the US, Canada, Mexico, the UK, Australia, China, India, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and South Korea. In addition, Argentina and Brazil said they will only support the FTT if it’s world-wide, including Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore, all of whom have said they will not introduce any new transaction fees or taxes into their financial system. Japan and Italy have expressed reservations and are unwilling to commit to the FTT at this time. Among the G20 members, only Germany, France, Turkey and South Africa unconditionally support of the FTT.
 
Quote from tomdavis:

Following is information I've collected. Use any way you like. Also sent via your website. Hope you got it.

..............................

The Swedish experience (1984-1991) with the FTT resulted in lower GDP and increased unemployment. Most of the tax fell on retail investors and very little on financial institutions (many of whom either went out of business or left the country). Only 3% of the projected FTT revenues ever materialized (a source of considerable embarrassment) and the tax was a net loss to the Swedish Treasury. The FTT was repealed in 1991 after it destroyed much of Sweden’s financial industry. On September 16, 2011, Anders Borg, the Swedish Finance Minister, said: “We have substantial experience in Sweden...And from the Swedish perspective, we cannot foresee that we would introduce such a tax in our system again."

..................................

The FTT has been studied extensively in the US, Canada and Australia where the tax has been rejected because it’s projected to contract GDP, increase unemployment and place most of the burden on retail investors rather than financial institutions. Most recently, the EU Commission's official 1200 page “Impact Assessment Report” for the FTT says the following:
1. The FTT will cause EU GDP to contract, yielding an annual negative 1.8 percent GDP (or an annual GDP loss of 221 billion Euros)
2. Result in a loss of 500,000 EU jobs
3. Result in a loss of 110 billion Euros in income, VAT and business tax revenues (from the contracting economy and lost jobs)
4. Raise 57B Euros in Financial Transaction Taxes while LOSING 110B Euros in income, VAT and business taxes -- resulting in a NET LOSS of 53B Euros each year
5. Most of the net economic burden falls on individuals (from job losses) and non-financial businesses (from economic contraction)

..................................

The United States Treasury Department studied the FTT and concluded that most of the tax falls on retail investors and very little on financial institutions. Lael Brainard, Treasury Department Undersecretary for International Affairs, recently said: “We're very much in sync with Europe on their goal of ensuring that large financial institutions bear their fair share of the burden, but the US-proposed 'responsibility fee' would better deter the kind of risky behavior that led to the crisis as well as ensure that large financial institutions and not retail investors bear the burden."

………………………………………

Supporters of the FTT often tout the success of the UK “stamp tax,” but fail to disclose that most banks and investment firms do not pay the tax. Over 70% of all London Exchange transactions pay no stamp tax, and 100% of all other transactions (e.g., trades on the CME or NYSE) are also exempt. Of all the transactions that originate in the UK, fewer than 3% are subject to the stamp tax. If all transactions were taxable, financial firms would exit London in droves. ICAP, with over 2000 employees in London, recently announced that they will leave the city if the FTT is implemented in the UK. Scores of other financial services firms will follow right on their heels. If these firms relocate, London would lose billions in economic activity, billions more in income taxes and capital gains taxes, and 30,000-50,000 jobs.

……………………………………..
Current state of the Financial Transaction Tax (FTT):
1. EUROPE
The European Union's "Impact Assessment Report" of the proposed EU FTT showed that it would reduce EU GDP, cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and would actually decrease total tax revenue collections because taxes lost from the contracting economy and decreased employment would be greater than the FTT taxes collected. The Czech Finance Minister called the tax "economically irrational." The Swedish Finance Minister rejected the tax and said that Sweden would not participate. The UK, Ireland and Malta have also stated their intentions to oppose the FTT.


2. THE UNITED STATES
(a) The Obama administration came out against the FTT saying that treasury department studies showed that most of the cost would be borne by retail investors and not financial institutions. The Obama administration is proposing a tax that imposes fees directly on financial institutions based upon how much risk each bank puts into the financial system. Lael Brainard, Treasury Department Undersecretary for International Affairs, recently said: “We're very much in sync with Europe on their goal of ensuring that large financial institutions bear their fair share of the burden, but the US-proposed 'responsibility fee' would better deter the kind of risky behavior that led to the crisis as well as ensure that large financial institutions and not retail investors bear the burden."

(b) Peter Defazio recently introduced FTT legislation in the House of Representatives. However, it was only able to attract 12 co-sponsors and is unlikely to get out of committee for a vote in the Republican-controlled House. Tom Harkin introduced similar legislation in the Senate, but with Democratic stalwarts Dick Durbin and Charles Schumer likely to support the Obama plan, Harkin’s legislation will have difficulty gaining traction in the Senate.


3. THE WORLD (G20)
Eleven of the G20 nations have said “no” to the FTT. These countries include: the US, Canada, Mexico, the UK, Australia, China, India, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and South Korea. In addition, Argentina and Brazil said they will only support the FTT if it’s world-wide, including Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore, all of whom have said they will not introduce any new transaction fees or taxes into their financial system. Japan and Italy have expressed reservations and are unwilling to commit to the FTT at this time. Among the G20 members, only Germany, France, Turkey and South Africa unconditionally support of the FTT.

Thanks. Much appreciated. And I'll respond to your very thoughtful email later today ...
 
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