1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

I added some new talking points. Feel free to use them or paraphrase in the future:

Consider this:

I live in a small town in FL and had nothing to do with the current financial crisis we are in. I trade for a living and would be put out of business with this tax. I will be forced to trade from a overseas exchange with no transaction tax out of pure survival and to keep the roof over the heads of my family of 4 and food on the table. 1000's of other like me will face the same fate: unemployed or trade from an overseas exchange.

To add insult to injury my families retirement savings and pension will be fleeced by this tax as well. Mutual funds and Pension funds are among the most active participants and trade on behalf of CURRENT an FUTURE retirees accounting for BILLIONS of transactions every year. Returns on these funds could be hit several % points annually by this not so small tax. Over a life time an investor could see his retirement nest egg cut by a 1/3 or more when compounding is taken into account.

This is no small tax it is a tyranny tax on middle class retirements, small business traders, and mom and pop investors. The big wall street firms will not see this tax as they will move activity overseas. If you want to get at the wall street firms tax their profits, but leave "main street" alone. We have payed for enough.
 
Quote from Midas:

I will be forced to trade from a overseas exchange with no transaction tax
Not a good idea to say this. They will flag your name and the IRS will make sure to look at your offshore activity to make sure you pay taxes.
 
Quote from PlusMinus:

I want to see principled Democrats (do they exist anymore?) stand up against this tax
Congresspeople (of either party) are in office to help their constituents. If that means taxing those rich New Yawkers to get money to pay for that new coal mine, they owe it to their constituents to vote that way.
 
Quote from loufah:

Not a good idea to say this. They will flag your name and the IRS will make sure to look at your offshore activity to make sure you pay taxes.

This tax is on transactions done on US exchanges. Example: British citizens do not pay their government for trades they place on the NYSE or any other exchange for that matter even if they have a transaction levy on stocks traded in the UK. The same can be said for any other country with a transaction tax. Their countries do not have authority to tax transactions here, nor do we have the authority to tax transactions in other countries. This is the reason the tax needs to be international to work and why many like Pelosi and Frank, have brought this up recently.

Note: I am not a CPA nor do I have a tax or auditing background, rather this is my understanding of the way a tax like this is imposed.
 
Quote from Midas:

Not so, if you trade 2 stocks listed on an exchange in Canada you the tax the US cant tax you. That is the reason most agree the tax would have to be done internationally.

Yes, you would be taxed on your earnings by the U.S. if your a citizen but the transaction tax would apply to US exchanges, not the Eurex or whatever. Trading the DAX would not subject you to IRS scrutiny.
 
Quote from bigb:

Yes, you would be taxed on your earnings by the U.S. if your a citizen but the transaction tax would apply to US exchanges, not the Eurex or whatever. Trading the DAX would not subject you to IRS scrutiny.

It is easy to see other exchanges providing dual listings on all of our securities the way we do with ADR's. Most futures already trade on other exchanges as well.

People will trade where it is cheapest to transact.
 
I can easily see them either taxing transactions made by US taxpayers on foreign exchanges, or like today with foreign derivatives, just making it illegal to trade them.

DeFazio also has an oil futures transaction tax bill pending. .2% on futures. He claims it'll cut down on speculation and thus keep oil's price down.

Come to think of it, if the "Let Wall Street Pay for Main Street..." bill were changed to tax only futures and futures options, would it have a good chance of passing?
 
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