1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Quote from the1:

Funny! Jack Welch is probably in a boardroom with Obama and Co. drawing up the details and determining a launch date. You didn't actually think CNBC was an "independent" news station, did you?

You do realize that Welch is no longer CEO of General Electric....
 
That's total nonsense. How did the markets function before the internet -- before day trading was even any kind of activity? The absense of liquidity does not change the value of anything. Bargain hunters will step in at lower prices and if they fall faster they will simply buy sooner. There won't even be an initial shock. We are day trading because the government allows us to.

Quote from bears21:

no way in hell this gets passed if the big boys get an exemption. now if there are no exemptions for anybody the market could tumble back down to new lows with spikes in volatility because of a lack of liquidity. catch 22 for the government they cant win. and as a retail trader if i am paying 10bux a trade they want to spike that 5 fold. yeah im loving that idea, hard enough to make a buck in this market now your gonna jack up fees. my arms are getting tired from tredding water because my govt wants to keep throwing me back in the deep end.
 
Ummm....NO! I didn't know that. I've been in a Coma since the turn of the millenium :confused:

Quote from sophiekay:

You do realize that Welch is no longer CEO of General Electric....
 
We will know next week when Obama addresses the nation on his healthcare bill, if this tax will be a part of it to pay for it. If not then check off one less worry for this bill being passed. Even democrat Hoyer said he will not vote for any healthcare bill, if taxes are increased at all. So atleast there is a Dem on the side of no tax of any sort whether it be income, or transaction or whatever.
 
Quote from the1:

That's total nonsense. How did the markets function before the internet -- before day trading was even any kind of activity? The absense of liquidity does not change the value of anything. Bargain hunters will step in at lower prices and if they fall faster they will simply buy sooner. There won't even be an initial shock. We are day trading because the government allows us to.

those players will not be posting those bids and offers anymore. so when you go to buy a stock that normally trades with a 10 to 15 cent spread you are now gonna be looking at 1 to 1.50 and god forbid you want to buy an illiquid stock that normally has a 2 pt spread get ready for the lube last print 17 bid 13 ask 20. have fun with that one, you could be on the bid for a year tying up capital. and you forgot to point out there wasnt a trans tax for the last 50 years or so. volume was anemic back in the early days but then so was this countries market cap. never ever retreat as a nation recipe for failure.
 
The1, what is different today is most traders can switch global exchanges instantly. I am already set up to trade in 3 countries. If this thing goes down, Will be pulling my money out of the US, liquidating short and long term positions.


Quote from the1:

That's total nonsense. How did the markets function before the internet -- before day trading was even any kind of activity? The absense of liquidity does not change the value of anything. Bargain hunters will step in at lower prices and if they fall faster they will simply buy sooner. There won't even be an initial shock. We are day trading because the government allows us to.
 
Quote from gkishot:

Hasn't the government been elected by the people?

Not really. It's been elected by the rich people and corporations who gave the candidates enough money to run lots of campaign advertising to convince all the stupid people to vote for them.

When was the last time you were seriously influenced by a TV ad during a campaign? I would bet not any time recently. Me neither. That's because we have brains. Most people in America don't have brains, which is why advertising is so effective in convincing their retarded little asses to vote for you, and that's where the money comes in.

We don't live in a democracy controlled "by the people and for the people". We live in a world controlled by the rich and powerful who buy the dumb votes so their candidate can get into power.
 
Quote from DmanX:

It wouldn't be taxing profit. They already do that and call it an income tax.

Allegedly, they would tax some value of the transaction - like a sales tax. Problem is, futures contracts have no intrinsic value. They have notational value.

There is no buy and hold strategy with futures as they are wasting "assets."

So, let's say they decided on the notational value upon which to base the tax. Take the E-mini S&P 500...

It's notational value is $50 x the index price. So, if the index were at 1000.00, the notational value would be $50,000.

Tax on that, per side, would be $50,000 x .0025 = $125. Or $250 round turn.

thats what i was fearing, say it aint so !
 
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