1/3 in Mass study have antibodies... is this a b.s. narrative in action

gwb-trading said:
Actually it mirrors the level of silliness found in your assertions.
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Gee, I asserted the mask thing was bullshit when they said they didnt help regular people but medical staff needed them. You accepted it blindly.

You thought the reported case count and the actual case count was equal. You doubted that there were more infected than reported. Even if you accepted it, you do not understand the implication.

You do not even understand what the lockdown is attempting to accomplish.

The worst of all, you believe that those people whose lives are being shattered by government overreach have no right to protest. You are a threat to everyone's freedom.
 
piezoe said:
First, thank you for a substantive reply to my post instead of the usual ad hominem attacks I get. There is no question that Redfield is technically qualified on paper, he has a back ground in virology and infectious disease. At his recent grilling -- literally -- by Congress, however, he came across as arrogant and frankly, IMO, acted like a horses ass. This is a leadership quality that mimic's Trump's. Trump seems to be attracted to men who appear powerful in their countenance and lead in military style by giving orders; appropriate in war, but not in research institutions where one is working with professional peers. Is Trump's leadership style a result of being shipped off to military school at a tender age? Trump has never succeeded in anything other than as a television realty host, so far as I can tell. I do think he would make a fine actor in John Wayne type roles. But is there any reason for him to be especially proud of his accomplishments as President?; yet, he is a supremely proud man. Why? Even you can not escape the reality that he has a severe, not mild, personality disorder.

One of Trump's remarks that is revealing of his mental state is his stock response to valid criticism. "I'm President, they're not." That's not something to be proud of when 60-70% of your country believes you're making a mess of things. Just getting yourself elected on a pack of lies is no accomplishment.

I heard him say just yesterday, "We're testing more than anyone, more than all the other nations combined." His statements are so outrageous that I don't understand why he wasn't removed from office months ago. Someone like this is incredibly dangerous when they are in charge. Even though, when you get far enough away from the West Wing, you do find competence. But Trumps history of retribution for disagreeing with him has the competent cowed and afraid if they speak up. Trump's actions have a chilling effect on what competence remains lower down in our federal agencies.

These are obviously opinions of mine, and you are entitled to disagree. There is at least 30-40% of the country that disagrees with me. Certainly with regard to my opinion of Redfield you are entitled to disagree. When I was referring to incompetence in the CDC leadership I was specifically referring to leadership and not technical background. Redfield hasn't been directly involved in infectious disease research for years. He is now a director of that work, and that requires another skill altogether. My idea of leadership is that you have to have the kind of personality that makes others want to willingly cooperate and not out of fear of retribution. One who adopts the attitude I saw Redfield display at the hearing is not going to be one who invites dissenting opinion, or willing cooperation. He'll end up with a bunch of disgruntled unhappy people working under him, as I imagine those Trump has fired are feeling.

I appreciate the link to the AP article. I want you to know I am not blind to the exaggerations on the other side, and the occasional plain mis-stating of facts, or worse. These faults are obvious and common among pretty much all politicians. You attach your name , along with 80 other Senators, to an infrastructure bill, and you make it sound like the reason money for infrastructure arrived in your district is because of your personal hard work on behalf of your constituents. But Trumps deceit is of an altogether different category. This remark from the AP article was revealing.

"Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress"​

Yes, Bloomberg was'nt correct when he said,

"And he’s [Trump] defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need."​

And Biden was emphatically incorrect when he said, and it is fair to say he was lying if in fact he knew better at the time,

“We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. ... He’s [Trump] wiped all that out. ...​

I maintain that Bloomberg and Biden inaccuracies are bad and they should be careful in their choice of words, but from my point of view, the most important fact here is that "Trump's people tried to cut the CDC budget!" And putting that kind of mentality at the top of the country isn't what I want. Of course there is another 40% , some of whom think government is bad, and the less you have of it the better. I know that!

I do very much appreciate your substantive response.
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You are correct they did try to cut the budget. However, you made a previous statement that the US wasn't prepared because of the people that Trump appointed. Remind, how long has Fauci been at the NIH? Was Fauci a new appointment by Trump?

Timeline: Dr. Anthony Fauci Repeatedly Downplayed Coronavirus Threat

January 21, 2020: Fauci claimed the coronavirus was “not a major threat to the people of the United States.”

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,” Fauci said during an interview with Newsmax’s Greg Kelly.

February 26, 2020: Fauci said, “Travel restrictions become almost irrelevant because you can’t keep out the entire world.”

“When you have a pandemic that involves multiple countries, travel restrictions become almost irrelevant because you can’t keep out the entire world,” Fauci said during an interview with CNBC News.

February 29, 2020: Fauci claimed there was no need for Americans to “change anything what you’re doing on a day-by-day basis” during an interview with the Today Show.

“Right now, at this moment, there is no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis,” Fauci said in response to a question about changing lifestyle habits. “Right now the risk is still low, but this could change.”

March 9, 2020: Well after concerns of the spread of the novel coronavirus had aroused, Fauci suggested that it was okay to take a trip on a cruise if you were a “healthy young person.”

“If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship,” Fauci told reporters at a White House briefing.

“But the fact is that if you have … an individual who has an underlying condition, particularly an elderly person who has an underlying condition, I would recommend strongly that they do not go on a cruise ship,” Fauci added.

March 9, 2020: Fauci said the decision to hold a campaign rally the next day would be a “good judgment” if it were held at a venue where there was no “community spread.”

“Not sure what we’re going to be able to say at the time where you have a campaign rally,” Fauci said in response to a question regarding political campaign rallies. “If you’re talking about a campaign rally tomorrow, in a place where there is no community spread, I think the judgment to have it might be a good judgment.”

“If you want to talk about large gatherings in a place where you have community spread, I think that’s a judgment call,” Fauci added. “And if someone decides they want to cancel it, I wouldn’t publicly criticize them.”
 
UsualName said:
I’m actually not that quick to knock these findings. While I don’t think the actual infection rate is one in three,it’s a guarantee that the infection rate is much higher than we all think.

I live in a hot spot for Covid and I can say anecdotally a lot of people I know personally think they have had it and experienced minor symptoms. Now is this just allergies or cold and flu, it would be nice to know but without obvious respiratory illness there is no chance to get tested.

I can say that right now when we look at back at this disaster we are living through that the biggest failure was the complete shit show on testing.
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It is almost certain the death rate per capita in the U.S. is higher than being reported because of limited testing. In the U.S., only deaths in "confirmed" cases are being reported and that means only where there was a positive test, and of course that is only where a test was available. The official death count in the U.S. does not include those with all the symptoms who died on a respirator that weren't tested and those dying at home with all the symptoms! Trump has been zero help in getting testing ramped up, and now I think I see why. He is such a sociopath!
 
piezoe said:
It is almost certain the death rate per capita in the U.S. is higher than being reported because of limited testing. In the U.S., only deaths in "confirmed" cases are being reported and that means only where there was a positive test, and of course that is only where a test was available. The official death count in the U.S. does not include those with all the symptoms who died on a respirator that weren't tested and those dying at home with all the symptoms! Trump has been zero help in getting testing ramped up, and now I think I see why. He is such a sociopath!
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This is not true. New York was recently allowed to add case counts on deaths without testing where Covid was "assumed" to be positive.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nursin...virus-outbreak-appears-to-plateau-11586892250
 
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