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We are talking of elementary particles. Virtual particles are real. They are in the realm of classical physics. They come into existence from nothing. They exist then they don't. They have no mass, their electrostatic force potential has infinite range. Perhaps that it where you are...

Hello Barth, Firstly, Virtual Particles are real, they are not "virtual". This isn't a stretch. They come into and go out of existence from nothing, from the vacuum of empty space. Quantum mechanics is grounded upon such information if any of which were , faulty, wrong or incorrect, would...

Well I'm pleased to hear your curiosity is in tact. If you don't mind though, you are being a little presumptuous and sound somewhat contradictory about a couple of things in regard to your original statement. You do say ultimate answers are going to remain a mystery, which if true would make...

I don't think you can negate the curiosity in humanity, nor dismiss the ability to discover ultimate answers by assuming they cannot be found. I do think you've misunderstood what I said. Virtual particles come from nothing. They don't need a source. No miracles required. Talking of...

Your question was answered back in 1948. So your 100% certainty is obviously 100% misplaced. Virtual Particles spontaneously jump into and out of existence in a vaccuum, from nothing, as observed by the Casimir Effect. The problem with Zero+ Zero = Zero is, there is no Zero. But you...

Religion obviously inculcates contentment in not wanting to understand the world.

Intelligent Design is there to help people feel smart about saying very stupid things.

A word to the wise then. Unlike fictional Bible prophets, in business, you're gong to need to find real profits.

Heaven with peilthetraveler in it would surely be hell. There is a logical route from religion to the committing of atrocities. To believe by God you are doing a righteous act in killing, you are a good person, you are following your religious morality. There is no such route from atheism...

..right so what was that? Inferiority Complexes and Low Esteem 101 for Dummies? What's on the back cover ... 'Can't influence people or get along with folk in general? Is it that excessively hypocritical pious and condescendingly sanctimonious attitude making you unpopular? Then just shout...

No. There are far far better reads.

If ignorance is bliss, religion will fill the need very very well.

"they're on the front line" - stu

That’s not actually what was being discussed but I would pretty much go along with it. However in regard to what we were actually discussing, I put forward reasons why belief in God is motivated by a need to believe, against how the non-existence of God is not motivated by a need to...

Fair points, but you are raising further issues now. Correct me if I misunderstood, but the original point you made was that the atheist is proceeding to a conclusion that suits their personal needs. My comparison suggests, successfully dare I say, that it's quite the opposite. The theist...

Yes comparison. The conclusion it exists in fact that one incurs fatal injury from such a fall is not proceeding to a conclusion that suits personal needs. The conclusion that it exists in fact that no one ever establishes the actual existence of God, is not proceeding to a conclusion that...

That's like saying perhaps those of us who examine indications of jumping 1,000feet off a cliff onto the rocks below are selectively assigning 'evidence' status as mere indications of a possibility and then proceeding to a conclusion of terminal injury that suits their personal needs. God...

=============== not good T-murraaay :cool: :eek: if that were so, you have evil appearing to be good and then any idea of freewill goes straight down the crapper. Perhaps you really should think this stuff through a little more carefully. :cool: :p

What about a Christian conservative woman who sticks her head up and says things like this.... <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wezdbLqRnzs&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param...

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26 ....then for all your pretentiousness, if you do not hate your family , YOU are a false Christian.