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Ok so you agree. Humans have only limited choice NOT free will. So any nonsense about your God providing free will is exactly that. Nonsense. I don't need to define your God Bernard that's for you to do. Nevertheless any definition whether it be transcendent or mystical or metaphysical or...

Correct. You had no choice. You responded. Less choice again because of the Troll you are. You're like a self-controlling ignore button that doesn't have the free will to activate itself. Although that leaves others limited free will somewhat intact. No smell of troll shit if you...

...all of which bullshit proves the point.. ...and quite obviously as a Troll you won't have the free will not to respond.

"Free will -- according to ...." is not free will. That is no more than non-free limited choice. For all your "metaphysical and esoteric philosophical " high mindedness, you could at least be honest. You've not even thought through what free will would really be , have you ? In that...

No it isn't. Free will is fettered and therefore cannot be free. It is refutable and therefore deniable. Posturing free will to excuse a deity from blame is no more than self-serving contradiction . Any omnipotent God worth its salt makes arrangements for good against evil without the...

What ARE you rambling on about now? It is as pointless being angry or not with God just as it is pointless being angry or not with the Giant at the top of Jack's Beanstalk.

Either talking about man's religions here or talking contradiction. ....or both

Adam did not know of good or evil. He could not choose between them because he had no knowledge of what good and evil were. Your God knew they would choose to have knowledge because he made them that way . So God made the choice , not Adam. Adam just did what he was made to do and...

..but your God does not supply free will.... You don't have free will to choose to be happy if there were no consequences . If it's an allegory then it's an allegory for contradiction.

You're at the plate and didn't see the first pitch... ? The account of something called original sin in Genesis is not plausible. It is contradictory for reasons already given in the thread. It ticks all the boxes that folk lore and fairy stories do. To bring it out of the realm of fantasy...

The Genesis story suggests God messed up big for the second time. He later tries to put things straight by instigating yet another bizarre plan which entailed putting himself on earth, changing his name to Christ , committing suicide with the idea that mankind was now somehow forgiven for His...

When “any being who might be all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. etc. etc.” is acting like a complete and utter bastard, then even a “mortal, finite, tiny person with a very limited understanding and view” will have the wherewithal to point such a Deity out . Being an all-knowing and all...

If God had made Adam and Eve perfect, they would have had perfect free will.

murray t, You might want to consider good and bad , right and wrong are far better taught to kids without the psychosis.

" For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers. " Barack Obama Inaugural Address January 20th, 2009 Awsome indeed. inclusivity coming through! .....what a refreshing change. No...

I suppose it's the main attraction of religious faith, that a believer believes his beliefs have him covered .

Thank you for the best wishes stockerup . If you don't mind though I have my integrity to maintain and the idea of holding personal relationships with fictional dead people is not my idea of a healthy mind. Having good reason for faith in an air plane staying up is one thing , having no...

How exactly is asking questions of you being judgemental ? I don't agree that fictional tales with extremely dubious and questionable moral standards within them are the right basis for a belief or faith in them. No matter how many times they are used in a misuse of the word proof in lives...

I visited Ireland they pronounce it 'babbie' -sounded nice. Nevertheless, struggling is in trying to reconcile a preposterous fairy tale with reality, arguing someone with no knowledge can know things. Such things diminish their own validity. Adam is a fictional character in a story book. With...

The fact is… non of it is a fact! For goodness sakes don’t make things too absurd. Genesis is bad enough as it is A 20 or 30 month old babbie will talk and give animal names but you can't expect it to have enough knowledge to choose to be obedient.