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The "anti Christian and anti God guy" seems close to agreeing that a belief in God is not a necessity for the good of a nation. If there is a vacuum, there by no means need be. Such things were before any Christian religion and are, easily filled by imparting morality , ethics and a sense...

Good human beings, civilized human beings, enlightened human beings, a society arrived at with or without religion with or without God. A net result which transcends religion or non religion, transcends God or non God. You describe values coming from something independent of it all. The Secular?

Fine I get your overall point I happen to agree with it and think it estimable. However it begs a question, probably more essentially to those like jem, that you are saying where this spirituality of a shared value doesn't come from and also saying it doesn't seem to matter where it might...

..which simply begs the question, if not religion, where do you think that spirituality, that internal attitude, comes from? Is the non-religion, secular approach you describe coming from anything other than humanistic values?

Fortunately however once a culture has dug the trap of religion for itself and surrendered reason to faith, the proposal to eventually escape is also unavoidably made.

Thank you for your considered input. But please remember it is not I who is stating there is proof of historicity. My argument is a clear one and somewhat obvious to all but those like jem, to whom contact with reality is lost or highly distorted. As your information confirms, it's the...

You are caught in the act of fraudulent misrepresentation, so you think all that's required is to call me a liar? The thick fog of religious piety got you yet again Think it is ok to say wrong is right so long as you do it for jesus? But as a Christian, shouldn't you at least be meeting...

Still, trying to recreate religious oral tradition is in the end simply using even more superstition to express or explain superstition.

...then reading between the lines of Alice In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass will furnish as much truth. You might do better by understanding that.

This whole thing has blown up in your face. You've flatly stated the speaker in a recorded video link says and indicates something which is the opposite to what anyone watching the film actually sees and hears him say and indicate. That perfectly demonstrates how you are incapable of...

"To compare unreal concepts as if by comparison,..."... then as one is false in the same way so is the other. Faery tales are that way. Bible /Beanstalk same unreal concept. No offence but hell's teeth, it is rather obvious - you silly hippy.

It's ugly to see what blind religious belligerence does to a person like you. Even though you posted the video and even though the subject is speaking the very words in it himself which contradict what you say, you'll still deny what he is saying and call me the liar. That is a delusional...

Glad you find it amusing. Doesn't alter the bottom line though, that is all your argument is or can be about. When all's said and done, there is nothing more to the Bible than there is to other folk lore narratives. They are all similar and the same. Comparing them or ideas about them...

Sad in a way isn't it. You two are trying to argue which is more believable - Mother Goose or The Little Red Hen.

you were saying ...?

God is a personal invisible friend for people who are supposed to have grown up. Whether you possess God or not is another matter , ... that you are possessed by some idea or other of God ? I would think so. Aristotle's Prime Mover or Unmoved Mover has been implausible for a good while now...

...true. but then again compared to ZZzzTroll , a bus load of Mahmoud Ahmadinejads would look like the good guys.

Got it. Just in case anyone else ever comes across this, though from the lack of replies, it won't be many if any :D it may be of some help to another poor soul who's struggling with this .... The problem was the different settings available in TradeStation2000i for the Data Source -...

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I have a live DDE link off MetaTrader collecting price tick data to a symbol in Global Server. This way I can use Easy Language to make and chart signals live. Very nice! I want to import back data to that live symbol in the usual way from an .xpo file (Global Server Format). Global...