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Where to begin? :eek: First of all, it is science (in the form of Sir Isaac Newton) that defined gravity, so to say it has no clue about gravity is pure stupidity. The closest religion ever came to defining gravity is "what goes up must come down." Newton proved this false by...

This is what happens when people like 777 get their "science" from a religious website. They actually believe nonsense like "gravity can't be measured" or the Big Bang theory assumes "something out of nothing." Willful ignorance is a terrible state of mind.

Stu has already dismantled your sophistry quite nicely, but here's my own two cents, just to conclude my input into this now pointless discussion. The very fact that you would now question the existence of the universe marks you as either a lunatic or a troll. Both are dismissable. The...

False equivalency, which is sadly commonplace in this forum. The existence of the universe is not in question, except by dismissable nutjobs or trolls. The existence of your god is precisely what is in question. So assuming something that does exist has always existed is not even close...

What miracle is being assumed? And don't say "something out of nothing", that is just a flat-out lie.

That's nothing compared to the fools who think "God did it" is an answer to anything at all.

You're like a robot. You claim irrationality, then when challenged to point out the irrationality, you just repeat the accusation. This is pointless. Enjoy your dogma.

No, your dogmatism is. What irrationality? Are you whining because science doesn't have ALL the answers, like your religion does? Nevermind that your faith is consisting of mostly wrong answers, just as long as they serve them up immediately. You're like a 4-year-old: "I wannit, I wannit...

Dude, aren't you working on your third (at least) religion? Didn't you used to be a Scientologist, and something else before that? If you're so right, why do you keep switching beliefs? Maybe you should try some humility instead of constantly trying to tear down the most productive knowledge...

No monotheist ever explains how there can be a Him without a Her. :p

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Oh come now. You don't really expect a guy who concludes the universe must be infinite because we can't see the end of it to be able the grasp the concept of a hyper-sphere, do you? :D

Religion always has been a business. "Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool." -- Mark Twain "Religion is regarded ... by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca

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This is the problem when you immerse yourself in sophistry: you can't think logically anymore. So according to you, a universe utterly devoid of the physical (aka a vast hard vacuum with no matter and no energy) would still be full of "mathematical truths" and "God". And because you believe...

No, I have the utmost belief in infinity as described by mathematics. Infinity is a very useful mathematical object. If we strict our study to integers, the largest number is Aleph-null. There's the rub. If by "Universal", you mean common to all humanity, then you are sorely mistaken. If by...

Actually over half the theists in the world are now Abrahamists (Jews, Christians and Muslims). And how can you claim a physical Infinity does exist? I've never seen an actual infinity anywhere outside of mathematics. Perhaps you're not as free from idiocy as you presume.

Yep, willful ignorance is a vital component of most faiths. Perhaps all of them.

What a perfect description of the god of Abraham! :eek: And of Paul the Apostle as well. :D

"Of the billions of living things on Earth, only Man ponders his existence. His questions lead to torment, for he is unable to accept, as the insects do, that life's only purpose is life itself." -- Dr. Nils Hellstrom, THE HELLSTROM CHRONICLE :cool: