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Ahh shucks LS. 'Twas nothin'. I was watching the progress bar on my computer crunching backtesting numbers and had little else to do. JB

>What's frightening, Turok, is that there are so >many people just like him. Exactly DB. When one slowly and methodically uses their statements to show the flaws in their conclusions they withdraw into the only defense they can muster....blubbering denial. ART's "facts not in...

>"Enjoy your fantasies." >Irrelevant, opinion, assumes fact not in evidence. That's ok ART, you just these evening demonstrated *on the record* that for yourself there need not be *any* facts presented into evidence before determining the outcome of the case. Just a bit of your own...

ART: >No, it is not clear that I am avoiding anything. That is >your assumption, an incorrect one. There is no assumption. There is a record of 12 posted exchanges between us on this subject since I began asking this simple question: >ART: >>snip< >>belief in God does not produce...

You should have bought the stuff with less seeds. JB

Me: >It's clear you are afraid to confront something here... >constantly avoiding the question, twisted answers, >stating "Even in this case, there is no proof..." in a case >not yet presented. ART: Non sequitur. The fact that you avoid the question is evident in your posts and is...

>I stand by the statement until shown differently >that belief in God was the cause of the effect you >call irrational criminal behavior. And once again you stand by a different statement than the one being challenged. It's clear you are afraid to confront something here...constantly...

Me: >So, are you still going to defend the blanket statement: >>snip< >>belief in God does not produce behavior or thinking >>deemed irrational by any psychological standard. >...or are you going to concede that it was a generalization >that can be proven wrong by example? ART...

Slowtrend: >Thanks for the comments and clarification. I appreciate >your efforts to keep things on track. I have plenty of >skin, no problem. Maybe integrity isn't the best word. Not a problem. I share your desire for openness and honesty, especially where it involves the education of...

>it is sad and indicative of a lack of emotional >and mental maturity. Ahhh...we've fallen all the way to the "I'm mature and you're not arguments". More fumes. JB

Slowtrend: >Some of the apparent evolutionists on this thread like to >interject comments about religion, the Bible, and theism. >Where have I sought to defend any of that on this >thread? Please show me. I assume that comment was in response to my post: >I wish Theists could all...

>Provide links to the American Society of Psychiatrists, or >any other authority with the status of the AMA or >equivalent mainstream and leading body in the field of >psychology, neuro-psychology, etc. that support your >assertion that the majority opinion by these professional...

ART: >We can no doubt find atheists in prison who >committed crimes but to conclude that all atheists >are criminal on the basis of that is not true nor a >reasonable conclusion. That is correct, however it is a strawman having nothing to do with my challenge of your statement. You...

>A man in the sky must be your belief system. Now THAT was a snappy come-back ART. I can smell the fumes from here. JB

Slowtrend: >Thanks Douglas Erwin for your integrity to admit >there are major problems with your theory. From Erwin quote: >Much more work is needed, Erwin concludes, before >we can claim to understand macroevolution. I wish Theists could all show such "integrity". JB

Can't remember the last time I had a dropout here in California. JB

ART declares the follies of generalization (with which I agree for the most part)... >That is why generalizations often fail in >a specific instance. And then, generalizes... >snip< >belief in God does not produce behavior or thinking >deemed irrational by any psychological...

>You claim to know, I challenge you to prove you know >who was the very first man who came to believe in God, >and how he came to that belief. >I think if you bring forth your "knowledge" that I can >effectively reduce it to speculation and conjecture...i.e. >opinion. That is one...

>Space flight at one time was fantasy. Exactly...further proof that all fantasies come true. I'm with you ART. Onward brother. JB

>Faith in God is the answer that some have provided >as a means to solve this riddle. I'm with ART. Fantasies are COOL!!! JB PS: off to read my now growing stack of comics