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alfonso, Looking back through history, The Evidence (block letters and all :)) suggests most definitely that it is not desirable to have Law and religion connected, otherwise The Evidence would have clearly stated that it should be. There is no reference to a christian god, a creator god, or...

jem, Let's get one thing clear. If I put a point of view over to you it would be more impressive if you answered it directly instead of trying to pretend there is some "bigger picture" which I haven't understood. And what would that be...let me guess...a religious one I bet. You accuse me...

Doubter, As far as I have ever been aware, secular does not mean "having man as god". I have never come across 'secular religion' as an entity before. I understand the word secular - when applied as a general description, as in 'secular government' - to mean free from religious influence...

AAA, A fundamentally problematic excogitation :) But you are advocating what, that the judiciary not get involved on small matters of Law? When the people cannot decide upon the "dangerous notions of patriotism, religion, family values" etc, who else do you suggest should decide? That...

jem, Unfortunately I have not had much time to respond but I see the subject has moved away a little, although the judeo-christians are still causing you difficulties it seems. As you are getting wrecked on the question of jewish/christian associations, I thought I may as well add to your...

Maverick, I presume by "we" you mean in law. I don't know what you mean by "play god". I would have to have a clear definition of what god is supposed to be. If you mean is it right from by standards of morality - as explainable and definable by humanity itself - that abortion should be...

jem. I thought swapping quotes would lead to slow and painful conclusion whereas interrogating the Declaration of which you must surely admit contains the ACTUAL WORDS and therefore is a good indication for any context being considered, might lead to more obvious clarity. It appears I...

AAAintheBeltway, you are right it's a mess. Religion should be a thing that consenting adults do between themselves and preferably in private. It should not be part of State activities or funding. The Supreme Court should only have to get involved should any particular religious sect attempt...

jem, Thanks for your courteous reply. I am aware this thread's topic is Meat & religion(lol) but I would like to respond to the particular points you have raised. I think it is good practice to consider the context as well as specific wording when responding to or making a point of view...

Jem, endowed by "their Creator".. is ANY Creator. You may choose to believe that your Creator is your Judeo christian God, to another man, his Creator may be a Quantum Flux. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness belong to humanity, they are not the possessions of a clergy or...

No. Someone made the simple point that they don’t eat meat (for specific reasons), many contributors respond and bring up religious associations with this issue. I don’t care about and did not mention the political aspect. Are YOU not overreacting here ?, a little paranoid that some...

Whether it's a veggie or Dracula driving a SUV is a DIFFERENT argument. Because SUV's pollute doesn't mean it's ok for meat production to pollute and vice versa does it?. It's a separate argument as to whether it is desirable to kill animals to eat and ... especially if it is right to...

ElCubano, I don't particularly want to be rude but do you ever just think about what you say. "you vegetarians kill animals the same" do you not realize how pathetic a statement that really is. So veggies kill animals just the same as meat eaters do? What?.. the same numbers ?with the same...

Better be sure to choose the flesh you have been called to eat so as not to offend a "God's grace". Be sure it doesn't chew cud, or have hooves formed in a particular way, or is fish colored in a particular way, or is a thing that is piggy, or that this flesh you like to eat does not belong...

But more appropriately, thank mommy and daddy. Afterall...give credit where credit is due

Then the case is lost. :) I suggest the evidence against is overwhelmingly subjective, but that's not what I meant. A known religious aspect of the universe, (or the ones which I have ever come accross) insist on an absolute. I am simply suggesting such has no significant evidence to back it up...

I agree. I don't agree. I think this wrongly applies the F word. Ideas notions propositions may start out as faith. But at that stage faith can only be an idea notion or propositions (etc). These are only made more valuable and shown to be valid or invalid by the application of some testing...

I know I am right, I always are ! Scientific theory is not based faith or is anything like the Gospel. For one thing Science makes sense. :D Any Scientific belief is rounded upon by other scientists who will energetically endeavour to test new or existing belief and rip it apart if they...

I know.... you are sooooooo correct. Lightning, Black Holes and Big Bangs for shit sakes. Next some silly bugger will be saying there's a God thing sitting up in that "spacey" stuff past the sky making planitty things wizz around and mooooooons and stuff and getting angry and making the...

I don't agree :) that is.... I don't agree if you are meaning to use Gödel as proof of your statement As I understand this, Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem proves that it is not possible to establish mathematics as a system of rules, which would enable mathematics to make all propositions...