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what is there to lose?...just a little something called integrity.

why would someone wantto embrace an idea that makes no sense to them? then surely, that would be fair reason to have hate of religion. you suggest exposeing a common religious thread for folks that makes no sense to them , stick it through religion, when you have given fair reason to hate...

... an intelligent creator.

Yes, maybe you are wrong. You are asserting a creator exists, although there is no more an existence of a creator than there is an existence of Santa. Why should I be mad at the notion of a creator that does not provide any better or more substantial information whatsoever that it exists...

In that case I am on topic. "100% evidence that the theory of ignorant chance is itself without evidential support," you said,... so then... an Intelligent Designer could not come about by any 'theory of ignorant chance' - the Intelligent Designer had to have been designed. My question...

Santa exists in some form. That is fact. Our existence is proof of Santa ...It doesn't say much does it?

100% evidence then, an Intelligent Designer could not come about because of any 'theory of ignorant chance'. Things have to have ID. So what ID was it that designed the Intelligent Designer?

So you are saying it would be a stretch to believe an Intelligent Designer could come about from nothing ?

The fact is Darwin does not cover Creation period. "Darwinists" (whatever theyactually are) might promote something or other and so may ID'ers, but Darwin does not, never has had anything to do with first cause. ID'ers will have to propose God or creator as an addition outside of Darwin...

I don't think it would be possible, unless perhaps if you were Demski himself, to mess up the actual circumstances and the facts in order to suit an opinion, more than you have in that post.

Then ID has recently changed tack. There need be no major evolutionary innovation as such, for evolution to begin. Also, the definition you offer for ID is trivial, because ANYTHING could be an Intelligent Designer where no test is possible for the proposition. Right the way through from...

If that were right, everything has a cause, and the intelligent designer will need a cause. Oh It's "special" It doesn't need a cause. Then Gnomes Elves and Fairies don't need a cause. They have special pleading too. Still non of it has anything to do with validation, proof or science.

could be used to provide dyslexics with a sense of purpose.

Ruse is a philosopher for goodness sakes. His position is not scientifically supportable. The things Ruse stands upon can't be and are not verifiable. Darwin is verifiable and continues to be rigorously tested and confirmed. Ruse's main arguments are based on untestable assertion. Darwin's on...

3. well it looks designed but there are really billions of universes so we have no indicatioin that we have a designer. This does not follow. "Billions" does not rule out a designer any more than billions of cells in your body rule out a design. Perhaps you will be able to contort...

Doesn't mean to say they are not patterns the Fairies designed either, but no evidence of Fairy or equally God designer is present. Other than the unnecessary chance guess at explaining pattern and shape recognition by inserting a Fairy or a God designer where none is present or...

Obviously it is yourself who doesn't understand science otherwise you would realize there are more than 3 "choices".

Because you can recognize patterns and shapes does not mean they have been designed or that they have been designed by a designer. The only ignorant chance is your gamble that there must be a designer for things that do not require one.

convince me... ....nope doesn't do it somehow. Do ya wanna run that divinity thing past us again ?

If a child is asked what is 1+1, and the child says "2" the child has been indoctrinated, just as much as if a child had said all answers come from "Jesus." The correct response actually is "I don't know" but so and so believes ___it is 2_______ and I have accepted that on faith. We...