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Um No tele. Notice that you ignore my definition after you you asked for it and my giving it you. It remains there about halfway down page 525 That might well be because it is a definition that in all honesty, you may well know should be conceded as it fits truly enough.

You converted to Gilbertism then. Prase be. Gilbert truly works in mysterious ways. Even with TrollZzz apparently.

Sure seems to work dude. TrollZzz does embody the manifestation of Pathetic Design,. Still, it's evidence I suppose, which is something more than ID has ever managed.

That you seriously think putting Intelligent in front of design works any better, is what's truly pathetic.

It was wrong to make the inference of murder . No one intended murder so it is not ”teleological causation." any longer You said above murder was known to be intended and that was “teleological causation.” The detective came to a wrong conclusion through the inference that was...

Then read what you wrote.... Quote from Teleologist: " I am not aware that Behe ever claimed to have anything in common with Francis Crick. That's is my contention because both of them claim that intelligence was behind the origin of life on earth." Your contention is that Behe never...

Now you're getting confused. This was to do with making a claim then you insisting everyone else determines what is evidence for your claim. It was only a couple posts back. Please try stay focused. Here, this is how silly that argument you made is... Quote from Telelologist : edit...

Design proponents count as evidence ?? You are saying that (intelligent) design supporters count as evidence for ID?? There is no data in the natural world that confirms design by itself is evidence for ID. There is overwhelming evidence in the natural world that design occurs naturally...

Seeing how no evidence of intelligent design convinces you there is intelligent design, then I suggest the meaning of the word convince may be lost on you. And I was simply pointing out that Behe pretending to have something in common with Francis Crick, does not make Behe’s declared...

At best Behe arguments have only ever been based on pseudo-science, therefore I don't actually believe he does accept the evolutionary development of species in the first place Nevertheless, is it now to become the creationists' reasoning that Behe - the self-professed creationist , who...

Depends on what you would count as evidence for intelligent design. [/B] Scientific evidence will do just fine - definable, testable, falsifiable, empirical, repeatable . You know, like that which Darwin and biological science provides, and is thereby able to support and prove evolution as fact...

At face value I agree JB. I think the Principal has gone a bit too far. He should possibly have made his own 30 sec speech after hers to chastise and humiliate her slightly where he says she is wrong and re-establish the method for proceeding.. I say that because at face value just going...

It is not and cannot be the same research. Research in trading will contain information and data in reality, verifiable as factual, separate from concept.You already confirmed that much. Research in faith will contain information and data not verifiable in reality, nor verifiable as factual...

In this case it would be thank lawyers for God.

With respect dave, this is not just like trading. Although often carried out through wishful thinking, I agree, trading decisions are based on reality, with outcomes becoming known in reality. But compared to trading, God and Bible decisions can only be based on an abstract notion toward...

Non of the above helps matters for behe one jot. Behe nor anyone else, has ever provided one single scrap of empirical evidence which supports, infers, or suggests scientifically that intelligent design is anything to do with science. Quote "Of course Behe does believe that the designer is...

Right on archi dude. First Darwin, Hoax. Then came them there life saving machines and medicines scientists made going against God’s will that folk must die in pain and misery, Hoax. That evil hubble scope , Hoax. .Godless space rockets fired up into heaven, Hoax. Electric, Hoax. Satteelites...

Seems the only ones asserting the scientific community has the idea it has arrived, are the ones who have an idea they have arrived - at a deity.

It's said it was often known what the ruskies were up to during the cold war, by what they were trying to accuse the west of doing.

I too would agree with that.