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that was 6am thru 8am est, then 9am thru 2pm est if trading real $$ with no performance mandates, I trade roughly 8am - 2:30pm est or until profitable enough... whichever comes first.

Well anyways, figured I might as well derail the on-going dialog here with a combine post. Began the morning at +$2,250 before costs in CL trading partial size into the early decline. Should of just held that 5-lot into the pit session open... there was the first of two +100 cent CL moves I...

I understand the difference... I didn't understand the wording of his question when briefly skimmed. The way it read, I thought he meant the 60/40 split was intact. It didn't occur to me that someone else takes the 60/40 and I would not. By the same token, that must be equally true of futures...

I have that same feeling about female logic, myself. Anyways, like I said 100+ pages ago to start, I'm not over-thinking the process here. I'm trading pretend money for the potential of working with extra, on-the-side real money for acceptable (to me) terms as stated. Now if for some...

OK... what part about EXTRA capital does everyone struggle with here? Yes, that same $50k can be traded in personal accounts. Let's say we sunk every last plugged nickle to our names in personal accounts and kept 100%. Every nickle, every penny to our name. Are ya with me now? Then...

No, I think I read the verbiage exactly as it's stated in the site. Do you honestly think that extra sentence there is an error? Omissions are errors... not deliberate additions.

well, looks like worst-case scenario I'm out -$350 any way you slice it

as an active participant invited by surf to share results and experiences, I have tried to keep my posts on-topic about that. My results, my reason(s) for being interested in the first place, plans and viewpoints, etc. Other than that it is the usual Spanish Inquisition here. I was fully...

and that differs greatly from trading your own money how? keeping in mind it is extra capital on the side... just more firepower than you have right now to trade whatever else you desire, period.

In the case of TST backing, how much of my own capital would I lose? Guys like Don Miller lost $3mm of his own with MFG and ceased trading for awhile until he recovered whatever amount. Thousands of others are just like him... personal capital lost.

I don't read it any more or less than verbatim. What is stated in the site looks pretty clear to me. Which is why I read no further than that.

As an objective participant with no affiliation to or with TST, here's what I see as downside risk to me: #1: fail to qualify for funding thru failed trading efforts. Lose -$350 #2: TST is proven to be a complete fraud. Chargeback the $350 purchase thru paypal and lose nothing. #3: TST...

Pertinent bullet points are circled in red and/or arrowed. That is my understanding of the details, could be wrong. I took this extra step because I think you are a decent, objective guy :) Secondly, the only people here who aren't wasting time in this thread are those engaged in the...

The profit split is 60/40 to start. To get to 80/20 you have to keep the $30K in the account as a cushion. all I saw myself in the site is above

That requirement would be fine with me... and I have until 10:30pm tonight to waste. If you'd please copy-paste that condition here, I'd appreciate the effort. I must have overlooked it somehow.

http://www.topsteptrader.com/fundedtrader Initially, a newly funded trader will begin trading a "Live Combine." While trading in the Live Combine, certain trading metrics must be maintained. Once a trader has been proven in the live environment and has built an account cushion (see above)...

you start with zero. you make +$30,000. you withdraw 80% and pocket $24,000 you start with zero. you make +$10,000 peak, then proceed to lose it all and also draw down to max loss and stall. in either scenario, what do you actually lose?

Sometimes I have to stop, rub my eyes and question myself as to whether I actually read something like that or not. Welcome to ET... home of the world's collective seven and eight-figure annual traders with nothing better to do than troll an anonymous message board on topics that clearly...

volume will shift to the Dec by 8:20am tomorrow when currency futures open meanwhile, today was rife with spikes and drops and v-turns out of the blue solely from rollover fundamentals. A session I avoid every month without question.

"Whining" would be all those endless threads and blogs out there where big-money traders with $millions parked in MFG and PFG now have nothing but empty accounts and regrets. For all you and I know, mighty IB or any other dealer could be next. That would be whining about needing capital. You...