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I don't believe that's true, but he did lie under oath which is the same to me. Do you still respect him? JB

nutmeg: >People who disrespect the President because >they don't like the man are wrong. Agreed. People who disrespect the President because he doesn't respect the rule and application of law however, would be in the right. JB

Nutmeg: >It is a matter of "respecting" the >uniform/badge, not the person. The uniform/badge is why I give them *initial* benefit of the doubt / respect. (see my immediate previous post). Once they have disrespected the uniform/badge themselves, I hold that I no longer have the...

LT07: >both Well at least we agree on one. :-) >there are standards of behavior for every role Agreed. I hold that the obligated standards of behavior for addressing a disrespectful public official vary greatly from a respectful one. >the kid made a *minor* infraction of these...

DD: >I suppose those who wish the absolve the teenagers >of violating the law and for failing to properly address >a public official must have some sort of kindred spirit >with them. If you've heard anyone on this thread attempt to "absolve" the teens of violating the law, it hasn't...

I'm confused. Do you think one has an *obligation* to speak to a disrespectful cop respectfully, or do you think it's just a good idea from a practical standpoint? JB

EC: >"shut-up" was not meant becuase the teenager >was out of hand..it was meant to keep the cop >from going postal on the kid...which in the end >is always the right thing to do..no matter how >wrong the cop is Exactly. JB

On think that I think is being overlooked here (and by the deranged cop) is the word "dude" is used regularly in the surf/skate culture as an expression of disbelief and expecially a questioning disbelief -- as in "Duude!" (I can't believe this is happening) JB

DD: Respect is a form of diplomacy. On this we completely argree, but in my world it applies equally to both sides. JB

DD: >Respect for authority is not something that is >earned. Don't be foolish. Well, we'll certainly disagree on that one. I don't find it foolish in any way to say that that "officer's" behavior doesn't deserve any form of respect. >Would you address a judge as "dude?" No, if he...

DD: >On the other hand, the skateboard >video, the officer has a point. He has no point whatsoever. He was an out of control bully who was making illegal threats against a calm and cooperative individual. Respect is to be earned and that "officer" deserves none. Now, I almost always...

Me: >If you believe that a second grader is always straight by birth, Shoe: >Actually, I didn't say that. Dude, you chose "A" ... >A: >Do you believe that gay/straight is totally by >choice/environment ... in other words, we're >all straight until/unless turned into gay...

ROFLAO. You seem to forget who's whining about being called on being a bigot. Who's saying "lighten up" whiner? LOL JB PS. my original post on the subject: >Rat, years ago I had my right (wrong) ear pierced >and wear a hoop in it just to set ignorant bigots like >you off on a...

Rat: >you bash me plenty on many different topics. >dont get your huggies all in a bunch .. lighten up. There is no question that at least in the P&R forum, *no one* is quicker and more regular to call people names (idiot's etc) than are you. In that light, I'm surprised you consider me...

I'll call a black individual black, but not a nigger. I'll call a homosexual individual a homosexual, but not a fag. But of course, you can suit yourself. JB

I'm impressed. A Ron Paul supporter helped you understand those who vote for Hillary. Glad I could help. I'm all for understanding. JB

Your attempts to get a rise out of someone by insinuating a sexual preference other than the one you project speak much louder than your "live and let live". It the equivilent of the statement "Hey Nigger --- not that there's anything wrong with that, live and let live". It's fine Rat, I...

Shoe: >Let me start with A as this is a pretty intricate >subject imo. Even anti-Christian research groups >such as Masters and Johnson have stated that >someone can switch their sexuality if they want to. For what it's worth, the M&J conclusions don't support "A", but rather would...

Rat, years ago I had my right (wrong) ear pierced and wear a hoop in it just to set ignorant bigots like you off on a wild goose chase. One thing you're right about -- I wasn't like the other children ... I loved to fuck with ignorant, hypocritical people's minds from a very young age. JB

Well, considering the world we live in, I actually consider the questions important. I don't think any one of those scenarios has been proven beyond doubt, so I think they're fair questions. If one believes that it's a choice, and if one believes that it's a morally negative choice, I can...