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as you probably already read on this thread...EuroDollar is basically USdollar denominated deposits held outside the United States....it is a short term play on the direction of US interest rates...volatility is usually much, much less than 10yr and the volume is (per contract) about a third to...

that's the one problem with stops in EuroDollar...when it's thin before an economic release like Non Farm and some investment bank (umm gee let me think who that might be...Goldsomething) decides to run up the 10yr half a point to to set off stops, the ED market generally follows and hell breaks...

Bix, I know exactly what your talking about...it happened recently to me and the results were not fun...basically someone in one of the front months sent an order to buy 30,000 instead of 3000 and that set off all sorts of spread and stop orders that sent the market haywire for about 2mins...I...

good point...the problem is that paper in this product tends to be quite smart...so when this abruptly changes (apparently), those who are used to following paper have to adjust rather quickly while wondering just what the hell these guys are thinking...lol

I agree dunleg, all the things you mention are causing alot of size to trade in a tight range in these ED markets...in ranging markets it is much easier to see where these hedgers and spreaders are taking positions...usually you can tell when 'things aren't making much sense'...in other words, a...

i keep thinking that this ge thing is gunna be like falling off a log after trading equities. rather than trading 20 lots of ym hoping for 10-20 tick move, i could trade 50-100 lots for a 1- 2 (full) tick move??? i just know im missing something here because if it seems to good 2 be true - it...

mtzianos, interesting post about the value of MProfile...what I got from that discussion thread you pasted in was that the guys he had been talking to were trying to pass MProfile off as some holy grail of charting...and as such, deserve this guys disdain... having said that, I use...

hey no need to be sorry...that's what this site is all about! I agree with you about the momentum issue...when the 10yr goes, like today, it freaking goes and doesn't look back...but here is the crux of my argument for EuroDollar...on a day like today you can use the 10yr as confirmation for...

oh and fatfozz, I use both Reuters and Bloomberg and sometimes Reuters is quicker as others have mentioned...you really need both if you want the full picture as it happens...

Despite what TGM says, I think Eurodollar is a great product for traders new to fixed income...First of all it tends to be a follower of the long end (speaking from a intraday perspective)...Second it takes out some of the stress inducing 10yr noise...Third, while the 5yr is less...

dsguns, I will agian agree with bix that you are on the right track...and your ideas about how to enter into trades are fairly sound...but what I would also say is don't confine yourself to one style of trading...there will be occasions when trading the range will work; or trading the breakout...

I agree in principle Bix but I hesitate to use the words EASY and Eurodollar in the same sentence...actually the words easy and any product don't go together...anyway, yes, the idea that you can do larger size for smaller moves is, in my opinion, the beauty of this product...you don't have to...

by the way trader5287...what the recent call analysts were making was that as the 10yr rate moved from 4.10 to below 4.00%...convexity buying would come in and massively move the market out of whack...guess what, didn't happen when we touched 3.99 and didn't happen when we hit 3.89...whereas...

Interesting article for two reasons...the first is the date of the article October 2003...the second is the explanation for the way Eurodollar is skewed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... 1st...in the article the author says he can't believe that the Eurodollar was pricing in a fed funds rate...

here is one of the ways that I use it...if the open is higher or lower than the previous days' value area, and then drives back into that value area and double prints there, it is likely to trade through the entire value area range...works about 80% of the time and at least gives an indea of...

fozz I'll send you a PM...but any general questions about trading ED that you have may serve this thread well anyway so posit away and I'll try, and I hope others try as well, to respond constructively...

I use the market profile almost exclusively to trade EuroDollar (not FX); 10yr and 30yr; and used it in the past to trade bund, bobl, schatz and euribor. Of course I also use candlesticks to identify larger trend lines, but my intraday trades are based exclusively on the MP... it would be...

I would say that in my experience the 10yr leads the majority of the time...30yr does appear to lead on some days, such as yesterday, when there are curve flattening trades being put on for example...in other words, buying 30s selling 10s...or selling the NOB (notes/bonds spread)...in that sense...

hey gringinho...just to clarify, we are not talking about Euro FX here, we are talking about the Eurodollar futures contract with symbol GE on Globex...not the Euro vs. the Dollar with the symbol 6E...

Well there seems to be quite the dichotomy of opinion on the use of news for trading...but there are several situations that I can think of that having access to streaming news is important... while some may think these situations apply more to day traders, position traders can get some pretty...