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But we still don't know if "knowledge by deduction" is really knowing. Furthermore, we don't know what knowing is. That would be why I said if you could answer my question that I would concede that it is not a "fact". [B] Yes, provided we knew what "knowing" was and we as humans...

Another good point. You guys are en fuego.

Good point, I don't, because I don't know anything.

once again belief, not knowing. New Topic.

Yea, but how do know that you were ever living in the first place? To think you will die from diving off a skyscraper is a belief, not knowledge. I have conviction to my beliefs ergo I don't jump off skyscrapers (although I might if this stupid discussion keeps going). My name is Matt

OK Dude, why does there have to be something to do the knowing? Isn't it possible that, that something doesn't exist (especially in light of the fact that you can't "know"). [B] Yes, what you are proclaiming is Bacon's "I think therefore I am principle", which would be another...

Great, its contradiction, the point is you don't know anything. [B] How do you know that? Maybe you don't know the true definition of existence or to exist. [B] How do you know that? Maybe its all a dream. Haven't you ever seen the Matrix. [B] Your argument is...

Before you get too sure of all the things that you think you believe now, lets do a quick history lesson. A mere 38 years ago the Southern Baptist Convention denied Martin Luther King the right to preach in their churches. Something tells me they think differently about that today. It...

Well between you and me, you can throw out the Bible and any other physical reference, because the shroud is more proof of the supernatural than anything else (supposing of course that proving something was possible). The Shroud of Turin is supposedly the cloth that laid on Jesus's body while...

Ahhhh, back to the verb to "know". (which we've already established, no one can actually know anything, except for that one little fact). See you don't "know" that God wrote The Ten Commandments upon the tablets, you don't "know" that God had a divine hand in writing the Bible, and you...

What about the shroud of Turin?

Oh yea, I've never made any bones about that. I just don't think that the "behind-the-scenes workings" are the work of the Christian God and only the Christian God or whatever God. Here is a posting of mine from page 12. [B]

Tell me one thing about the legal field that is truthful? I couldn't define legal and scientific truth if you gave me ten lifetimes. Both are constantly changing.

This is not up for debate. It's inherent in the definition of what the word "know" means in our language (and other languages for that matter). I'm not going to give you a lesson on Socrates at 1:00 in the morning.

I'm not saying that they think they're correct, I'm saying they are correct. Just as correct as you are when you practice Christianity. [B] Hmmmm, well I don't think that there is a "right" and "wrong" in the spiritual realm, so I guess I am saying that people cannot be wrong about...

It may have not come across properly in the postings, but it true that there is only one fact which you can truly know (based on the definition of the word "know"). That lone fact is that you know that you know nothing (except of course that one fact). Confused?

Hmmm, OK, [B] Certainly each religion promotes a certain set of values and traditions that is often very different from the others, likewise I could only expect different results from each religion. Another inherent belief of mine is that generally the prayers that are answered...

Very Funny, So do you think of the Jews as older and wiser or a little senile?

Yes and No. True, we don't all face Mecca and pray each day, but generally the major religions preach selflessness, caring for poor, denial of self etc. etc. Those are similar enough for me. [B] I don't know what "true" is, but my belief is that core constructs of prayer in all these...