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That's why I am asking why would it matter if SPY broke resistance but ES didn't...

But why would the support matter? like are there really rules or strategies where if support is broken by even 1-2 spy cents it would negate the strategy or trade? just curious.

If I am using the incorrect wording I apologize, my intention was not to constrain something into a pigeon hole by using the word system. but by system I meant a group of factors, indicators or etc that help you read and analyze the markets. Not just "X" stop "Y" target based on this one...

There's no one answer, for some people unless the markets drastically change how they operate, they will likely remain profitable or keep their edge. For others their system may be relying on a bull market, bear market, neutral market or certain type of buyers or pattern that disappears or...

Yes, but regarding markets, not everyone can make money. Someone has to lose for someone else to win. So, if someone just releases a lot of information that may change the players, or who's the receiving the gains for awhile, but I don't see how that changes the game in the long term...

That's a good point. Personally I don't have the ability to correctly predict any macro fundamentals and the effects they will have on the market with any consistency, so adding that for myself would likely negatively affect my results. Thanks for posting on ET, but just curious if I may...

I agree with almost everything you said, even on how public indicators can be used a lot more efficiently, don't see much information on that though, maybe people don't want to give it out. The only thing I don't agree on is that you need macro fundamentals, I am sure that helps. But if...

That's a good point, I see what you're saying. But I am saying the anti-edge would come from extremely emotional decisions, I know someone(not that well) but I know of their situation and they have traded for over 10+ years and lost literally all the money they ever put in the markets...

Could this be because the more money you apply to the market, the bigger effect and the bigger footprint you're leaving behind. This doesn't go unnoticed by algo's, particularly if you're repeating a setup over and over with large size. I imagine in order to make huge consistent returns...

ok, you quoted me and I thought you were asking me why should you send him a statement, but I understand now.

Great post and well put, thank you for clear explanation. Just because it seems random to most people, doesn't make that a truth.

Because if it's always 50/50 with no edge, but higher than 50/50 with edge... doesn't that equal more than 100%? Which means to get a correct balance, there would have to be something to counter balance the edge... which would be something on the opposite spectrum like you said.

No, if you're of superior intelligence, or even as intelligent as you're alluding too, you already know how this conversation was going to go after reading the first 5-6 pages, all I am saying is you could of bowed out more gracefully in my opinion. If you disagree thats fine, no need for...

I am one of the biggest? lol, I was agreeing with you on about 90% of what you said if not more.

I think you're smart enough to know you weren't going to change there opinions, that's why I bowed out as well, as I realized mine wasn't going to change nor was theres. but no need to be a **** about it. there's other people here that are successful too.

na, i am not very good at communicating my point and bringing everything together. in short was just trying to say there's a lot of factors that i feel makes trading discussions in general be more toxic or negative than need to. I wasn't trying to harp just on the subscription thing, that's a...

I think what you're saying is the same thing I was saying, just the case you're saying is a smaller part that falls under the big umbrella of what I was attempting to explain. I agree the change would have to come from all the posters, but thats part of my point currently it seems the...

This can be a very deep and expansive topic, one I surely don't fully understand, nor have all the answers, but I'll try touch it on briefly and it may or may not make sense. Maybe someone more knowledgeable and intelligent can break it down for us. First of all I want to touch on this...

fairly interesting conversation and appreciate everyone being mostly civil. think i am going to be bowing out, as everyone in the conversation has made it pretty clear of their reality and stance and I don't really have anything else to add.

Even though don't agree with you on some other things, I agree conversation is going no where fast. But I just want to ask, you do believe that people can use math to locate patterns or imbalances in the markets that can give a substantial edge right? or no? Just curious on your stance on that.