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What software do people on this site use to program, backtest, and execute black box programs? I know trade Tradestation can do all three, but are there other programs that you can recommend that do all 3. It is very important that it can be programmed to execute trades with any execution...

Well said!!

The rates are still low cause the firms want to keep some of their more consistent traders, and those low rates are offset by the higher one's charged to other's within the firm. But, I gaurantee that once everyone at Andover starts demanding those .0035 - .0045 all in rates, Sungard will crack...

Exactly. Andover got into a pricing war with other prop firms to boost up their volume so they can sell. Now that Sungard is in there, they're going to adjust prices to where they make financial sense, not where traders want them. Rates aren't going lower, if anything they'll just stabilize...

Check the PM.

I want the firm you work for, why go for .0045, when you can get .0035.

What firm?

I'm talking about your rate. I don't want .0045, I want .0035 all inclusive. I went to www.etradeprofessional.com. It says $50,000 initial capital contribution, and says nothing about the rates. Unless you have a different site for them.

Post it so all of us can call and switch firms. I'm asking, so you won't get in trouble.

Read your own post, it says .0035, all inclusive.

I went to the site and they want a $50,000 initial contribution and they don't post their rates. How is it possible to have .0035 all inclusive, if u use Island, Island charges .003.

I agree with you 100%!!!! You are a remote trader that is why they are able to offer you a cheaper deal, and like you said you had to fight for it. Remote traders are extremely cheap to maintain compared to an on site trader. So there is a huge cost differential between a remote and an on...

What questions, so you said 2/10, still can't be done cause the firms have to make money. 100K a day in volume for .0035 all inclusive, not happening anywhere, unless you're in with the boss who doesn't care to make any money on you. Those rates given by Pointdirex and E-Group are all base...

If you go to Samba's firm, you can get way better. But then, Samba won't tell us who this firm is. Maybe it's Shill Securities we're all been raving about.

Where are all these people? You're the only one defending your point, and so far alot more people have told you the same thing I have, then vice versa. And if you really cared about all these traders, you would tell us who you trade with, rather then trying to create headaches for those who...

If you read Sambatrade's posts, and then read tickerwatchers posts from the beginning of this thread, you'll see quite a bit of similarity, in the writing style, sarcasm, and comebacks.

I think my profile makes it pretty clear that I am a managing partner. What upsets me, is that I have to deal with people asking for those rates that you're implying exists, when they truly do not for the general trading population. None of the traders that quote these rates for me ever seem...

It's .005 per share plus ECN & DOT Fee's. I just looked at their rates, and basically it comes out to 1 cent a share, and those are rates for internet customers not in-house traders. They also don't provide you the leverage that a prop firm does. So you have to take alot into consideration...

Hey Samba, outside of you breaking up your posts into several pieces everytime you have something to say to prop up your post count (Moderator should take a look at this), why don't you go out and start a prop firm, and offer the low commissions you imply can exist. We will all join your firm...