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My apologies Db, -- brain out of whack! -- you didn't sarcastically suggest that the Ottoman empire was a good thing. I'm not sure why I thought you did. Weird. Very weird. Sorry, really. With regards to enjoying Kymar's and dgab's posts, I assumed the posts you were referring to were...

Optional, here's a "flame" for you. It is YOU who has had every one of his "logical arguments" overturned, defeated and shown the door, yet still pretends he has some rational foundation to stand on. How about using some "rational process" moving from the premise to the conclusion that...

You didn't say it. I inferred it because you sarcastically suggested that the Ottoman Empire was a good thing. Yes, what I said was a "flame", but then I regard your interjection that Kymar, Babak, dgabriel et al were making "great arguments" (!) as extraneous to the "debate" also. (And, it...

Just how is occupation "much different" from presence Kymar? I was obviously overzealous in describing Arab resentment of American troops on their soil as "practically universal", so I apologise for that. However, the instances of acceptance you cite are different from the Iraq case...

Babak, how can you take one isolated (or even a dozen isolated) case of human compassion (which I have never suggested Iraqis are incapable of) and exptrapolate that to mean the Iraqis are just gonna love having an American military "presence" -- or "occupation", it amounts to the very same...

Db, I'm glad you're not going to get involved. Because if you can't see the difference between the Ottoman Empire and Iraq today then you're not going to have much value to add.

Well, that is obviously not true. The US has done a grand job of exploiting other countries to further its own interests. If you choose to ignore this simple truth, that's up to you. Whether "huge majorities of American voters" support the President is completely immaterial when it comes to...

Kymar, I respect your right to have an opinion, but just imagine that it was me that wrote the above (from my pov). Wouldn't I now be hearing about how it "speaks volumes" about my (allegedly) a priori, inflexible world view? Despite your apparent inclination to believe that two, or three...

Kymar, I'm always suspicious when someone claims to have evidence yet they don't present it. So, even if for this reason alone, I think you should provide the links. Look, I've seen the video and pictures of the "jubilant" Iraqis myself. I am tempted to think, with good reason, that this is...

There are no paralles huh? Gee, how convenient for you. There can only be no paralles if you ignore the fact that the Lebanese, Saudis and Iraqis (the majority) are Arabs, and the majority (vast) of all three are Muslims. There's paralles #1 and #2. Your assessment of what would occur if...

???? That was an analysis of the Iraq situation as it was in mid 2000. (And supports the contention that this is an illegal war, btw). What does it have to do with the future of Iraq as the situation is [/i]now[/i]?

Iceman, I completely agree with your assessment. Hapaboy wraps himself in the American flag and shoots off at the hip and thinks he's defending the (noble) principles America was founded on. Needless to say, the big mouth played no role whatsoever in fighting for those principles, nor does...

Was there a point to be made somewhere there? Just sounds like one long, wandering apology to me.

Exactly hii a_ooiioo_a. Not only that, but they were rebelling against the democratically elected government of Nicaragua (elected in a landslide too). So just because there's a degree of separation between the CIA that provided them with support and trained them hardly makes Bush snr any...

Are you normal? I trade its markets, I hold positions for days (and weeks). Isn't it obvious I would want to know what is going on there?

Babak, I'm not talking about the existing resolutions. I'm saying that had the US considered it in its best interests to go to Iraq in 1991 it -- because of the popularity of Desert Storm -- could probably have easily gotten a new resolution. I'm not trying to have it both ways at all, so...

A joke. A complete joke. Regime change is precisely what America requires if it wishes to avoid a prolonged period of economic stagnancy. The tax cut he's handing his pals is so simple to see through I can't believe people haven't hit the streets in protest about this also. I...

Babak, do you really think that if the US had decided it was in their best interests to go into Iraq in 1991 that they could not have convinced the UN to authorise it? The fact is that it was decided by the US that it was not in their best interests to go into Iraq in 1991. Powell himself...

Where have I ignored him? I don't have any problem with him at all, his attempts to undermine the factual evidence notwithstanding.

Argentina.